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20 May 2016 18:22 #727665 by dwrock
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I have a 2000 kz 1000 with 1900 miles on it and when pulling from a stop sign the clutch went completely slack but there is no engagement to the engine. so you put it in gear and push the bike in gear and total slack in the clutch cable. I pulled the clutch cable cover and the cable is not broken. Please help if you can.
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Dale

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20 May 2016 18:35 #727669 by SWest
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Clean and grease the clutch actuator. You have to get the balls in their relaxed position. Put the cover back on and adjust the screw until there is resistance. Back off 1/8-1/4 turn with all the cable adjustments slack. Adjust them last.
BTW, you need a manual.
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20 May 2016 19:49 - 20 May 2016 19:50 #727682 by Patton
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Question -- Will the transmission go into low gear when pressing down the shift lever while the bike is rolling forward?

May need to assure that the shift lever is correctly positioned on the shifter shaft and that the shift lever is tightened so that its splines are engaged with the splines on the shifter shaft. In other words, assure that pushing on the shift lever is actually doing something.

The transmission should shift into low gear, which would prevent the bike from being manually rolled forward when the engine isn't running and the clutch lever isn't being squeezed. This will indicate that the clutch is engaged.

The transmission is designed so that it won't up-shift from neutral unless the rear wheel is rolling forward at sufficient speed. Which presupposes that the drive chain is connected to both sprockets and that the counter-shaft sprocket is tightened in its normal position and isn't loose and spinning (such as could happen with a loose sprocket nut).

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20 May 2016 20:29 #727690 by SWest
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My 350 Honda would do that if the adjuster was too tight. Ball and ramp AKA EZ Pull is known for that. :dry:
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20 May 2016 21:01 #727695 by Patton
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dwrock wrote: I have a 2000 kz 1000 with 1900 miles on it and when pulling from a stop sign the clutch went completely slack but there is no engagement to the engine. so you put it in gear and push the bike in gear and total slack in the clutch cable. I pulled the clutch cable cover and the cable is not broken. Please help if you can.
Thanks
Dale


no engagement to the engine. so you put it in gear and push the bike in gear and total slack in the clutch cable

Even with the clutch actuator assembly completely out-of-whack, being in 1st gear should prevent the bike from being manually rolled forward.

And the bike should be ride-able, with shifting up and down through all the gears without even needing the clutch.
A broken clutch cable won't prevent continuing the ride, and won't necessitate pushing or pulling or trailering the bike.

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21 May 2016 05:26 #727721 by SWest
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dwrock wrote: I have a 2000 kz 1000 with 1900 miles on it and when pulling from a stop sign the clutch went completely slack but there is no engagement to the engine. so you put it in gear and push the bike in gear and total slack in the clutch cable. I pulled the clutch cable cover and the cable is not broken. Please help if you can.
Thanks
Dale


So I guess the question is, does the bike move when pushed without the clutch?
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21 May 2016 09:10 #727751 by Patton
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swest wrote: . . . So I guess the question is, does the bike move when pushed without the clutch? . . . .


When the transmission is actually in 1st gear, does the bike move when pushed without the clutch?

My suspicion is that the bike actually isn't in 1st gear -- and is actually in neutral -- when reportedly being pushed "in gear" with total slack in the clutch cable.

I suspect that the clutch is in its normally engaged position, as it would ordinarily be without a functional cable.

Exceptions could include catastrophic clutch failure (not suspected in the case at hand) or possibly that the failed clutch actuator assembly is somehow pressing against the clutch push-rod hard enough to keep the clutch disengaged (i.e., to prevent the clutch from engaging).

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21 May 2016 10:36 #727755 by dwrock
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Thanks everyone. Yes the bike is pushable when in gear. Has a good cable. The actuator seems logical.

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21 May 2016 10:43 #727758 by dwrock
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So even with the clutch actuator off and the rod moving freely youvcan still push the bikevwhile in gear.

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21 May 2016 13:20 - 21 May 2016 13:21 #727772 by Nessism
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Sounds like the ball and ramp mechanism was not adjusted properly and jumped over the top of the ramp. You will have to remove the sprocket cover and set the ball ramp mechanism back to the proper position, then loosen up the cable adjuster on the end of the cable by the lever and adjust the screw on the clutch ramp until you get the proper amount of freeplay at the hand lever.
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21 May 2016 14:05 #727776 by Patton
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dwrock wrote: . . . bike is pushable when in gear. . . .


How known for certain that it's "in gear?"

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21 May 2016 15:27 #727788 by dwrock
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Thanks everyone the bike is fixed . It was bad grease and a bad adjustment

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