uneven idle after warm up

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15 May 2016 19:51 #726677 by BIKEMECHANIC73
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Looking for some help on what most likely may be the issue here.. The problem is, on cold start, I full choke the carbs & bike usually starts right up & will semi slowly (lol) run up to about 4000 - 4500 rpm. (is that good?). Once I bring the choke down halfway & then a couple minutes later all the way down & bike idles well. So, I'll go out for a spin, mostly country side & behaving myself somewhat on speed.. When I come to a stop at a light or whatever, the bike wont idle steady.. The bike will idle steady for a bit then make a "spit" (like noise), idle low, then idle up a bit, then back down or steady & so fourth.. I have just cleaned the carbs, spark plugs are gaped properly (haven't checked coloration on plugs in at least 3 months), carbs have UNI foam hi flow air filters, & Jardin side cut pipes. Carbs have also been jetted properly. I have noticed some minor cracking on the intake manifolds where they mount. I have been told it may be valve clearances, but I'm not sure. Also, could this be a points issue? Any input would be Greatly appreciated.
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P.S. I keep getting this message when I try to post a pic of my Bike "Attachment image size exceed limit allowed by configuration"

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15 May 2016 19:57 #726681 by SWest
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Air leak, spark advance sticking, valves out of adjustment, carbs out of sync.
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15 May 2016 20:03 #726685 by BIKEMECHANIC73
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Spark advance would be points? Sorry, just not too hip on technical wording.. (guess that should be the first thing i fix lol)

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15 May 2016 20:05 #726686 by SWest
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It should be lubed and move freely. The springs might be stretched.
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15 May 2016 20:47 #726696 by 650ed
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If the carb holders (between the carbs and cylinder head) let any air leak in the idle will be erratic. Try this:

Make sure the vacuum caps are tight on the carb holder nipples.

Warm the engine up to normal operating temperature.

Temporarily set the idle as low as possible without stalling the engine. It should be down below 1000 rpm. The lower the better because when it is set low the carb slides are closed (or nearly closed) and this raises the vacuum level in the carb holders. The combination of the increased carb holder vacuum level and the very low idle amplifies the effect of the leak test.

Once the idle is set low, spray carb cleaner around each of the carb holders where they bolt to the cylinder head and where the carbs attach to them. If there are leaks, the vacuum in the carb holders will suck the carb cleaner in and this will affect the idle. It may cause the engine to stall. If the leaks are at the carb holder / cylinder head mating surface you need to replace the holders. If the leak is where the carbs attach to the holders you may be able to tighten the clamps enough to seal the leak. Some folks use starter fluid or other substances for the test, but carb cleaner works best as it doesn’t evaporate too quickly like ether and leaves no residue on the engine like WD40.

If you do need new holders just bite the bullet and buy them. Trying to seal things up with some kind of sealant or goop will only lead to frustration as it will at best only last a short time.

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15 May 2016 20:59 #726702 by BIKEMECHANIC73
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Thanks 650Ed! I'll give that a shot first thing tomorrow! That may be the culprit because it ran fine until time before last when I removed the carbs for cleaning. Is there a "Best" way to reinsert & tighten the carbs into the holders?

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15 May 2016 21:04 #726707 by Patton
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I spritz the holders with Armor All.

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15 May 2016 21:06 #726708 by Patton
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BIKEMECHANIC73 wrote: . . . I keep getting this message when I try to post a pic of my Bike "Attachment image size exceed limit allowed by configuration"




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16 May 2016 00:22 #726715 by BIKEMECHANIC73
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16 May 2016 09:51 - 16 May 2016 09:52 #726787 by Patton
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16 May 2016 10:05 - 16 May 2016 10:07 #726791 by Patton
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