secondary shaft retaining plate

  • cherrymetal
  • cherrymetal's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • User
  • User
    Registered
  • Posts: 95
  • Thanks: 0

secondary shaft retaining plate

17 Jan 2016 08:25
#707019
Any tips on removal and re fitment of the retaining plate with the three countersunk cross head screws that are staked? It's the one that sits under the secondary shaft sprocket.
I've managed to destroy the cross on two of the screws already, I used an air wrench but it just wouldn't overcome the staking.
Is it essential to remove this to split the crankcase halves?
Cheers all! ( it's a GPz750 motor by the way, aka ZX750.)
_____________________________________________________
1977 Z650 (WIP - GPz750 Engine, RF400 Wheels & brakes, Bandit 600 Forks, Zephyr Swingarm)
1997 ZRX1100 - Stock - for now!(except for Hindle header with Micron carbon can)
1988 NTV600 Revere - Stock (work hack!)

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • TexasKZ
  • TexasKZ's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
    Registered
  • Posts: 8405
  • Thanks: 2789

Re: secondary shaft retaining plate

17 Jan 2016 09:35 - 17 Jan 2016 09:35
#707026
You do know that they are JIS, not Phillips, right? Phillips bits will cam out of the slots and wreck the head. A Phillips can usually be modified to fit properly, and JIS screwdrivers and bits are available.
Once the slots are buggered, a staked screw is gonna be a real pain to remove. As to your question about necessity, I don't know for sure, so I'd defer to the manual.
ymmv
1982 KZ1000 LTD parts donor
1981 KZ1000 LTD slowly moving toward resurrection
2000 ZRX1100 not ridden enough

www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/620336...amateur-build-thread
Last edit: 17 Jan 2016 09:35 by TexasKZ.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • cherrymetal
  • cherrymetal's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • User
  • User
    Registered
  • Posts: 95
  • Thanks: 0

Re: secondary shaft retaining plate

17 Jan 2016 10:00
#707033
Bugger. No I didn't know they were JIS, I'd never heard of them till now, I thought there was only philips or pozi. Have just looked for bits for my draper impact driver but can't find any the right size at the moment. I might possibly be able to get a bit to hold if it's the right one. Otherwise I'll have to drill them out.
If I can split the cases ill be able to get the remainder spark eroded out at work ( got yo fit them in a haversack to get into work undetected!!
_____________________________________________________
1977 Z650 (WIP - GPz750 Engine, RF400 Wheels & brakes, Bandit 600 Forks, Zephyr Swingarm)
1997 ZRX1100 - Stock - for now!(except for Hindle header with Micron carbon can)
1988 NTV600 Revere - Stock (work hack!)

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • cherrymetal
  • cherrymetal's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • User
  • User
    Registered
  • Posts: 95
  • Thanks: 0

Re: secondary shaft retaining plate

17 Jan 2016 10:06
#707035
It's not clear in the haynes manual if it needs removing to split the cases by the way, is it in the clymer or oem manual?
_____________________________________________________
1977 Z650 (WIP - GPz750 Engine, RF400 Wheels & brakes, Bandit 600 Forks, Zephyr Swingarm)
1997 ZRX1100 - Stock - for now!(except for Hindle header with Micron carbon can)
1988 NTV600 Revere - Stock (work hack!)

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • SWest
  • SWest's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Sustaining Member
  • Sustaining Member
    Registered
  • 10 22 2014
  • Posts: 23779
  • Thanks: 3045

Re: secondary shaft retaining plate

17 Jan 2016 10:59
#707042
Pics of what you're actually working on?
Steve

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • cherrymetal
  • cherrymetal's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • User
  • User
    Registered
  • Posts: 95
  • Thanks: 0

Re: secondary shaft retaining plate

17 Jan 2016 11:21
#707045
Please see attached
_____________________________________________________
1977 Z650 (WIP - GPz750 Engine, RF400 Wheels & brakes, Bandit 600 Forks, Zephyr Swingarm)
1997 ZRX1100 - Stock - for now!(except for Hindle header with Micron carbon can)
1988 NTV600 Revere - Stock (work hack!)

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • KZB2 650
  • KZB2 650's Avatar
  • Offline
  • User
  • User
    Registered
  • Posts: 1472
  • Thanks: 264

Re: secondary shaft retaining plate

17 Jan 2016 11:48
#707048
Do you need a 5/16 impact bit? Try ebay for a #3 and modify it like Ed says or you might not need to if it fits gd.
1978 KZ650 b-2
700cc Wiseco kit 10 to 1.
1980 KZ750 cam, ape springs, stock clutch/ Barnett springs.
Vance and Hines Header w/ comp baffle and Ape pods, Dyna S and green coils, copper wires.
29MM smooth bores W/ 17.5 pilots, 0-6s and 117.5 main
16/42 gearing X ring chain and alum rear JT sprocket.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • cherrymetal
  • cherrymetal's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • User
  • User
    Registered
  • Posts: 95
  • Thanks: 0

Re: secondary shaft retaining plate

17 Jan 2016 11:50
#707049
How do I modify?
_____________________________________________________
1977 Z650 (WIP - GPz750 Engine, RF400 Wheels & brakes, Bandit 600 Forks, Zephyr Swingarm)
1997 ZRX1100 - Stock - for now!(except for Hindle header with Micron carbon can)
1988 NTV600 Revere - Stock (work hack!)

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • KZB2 650
  • KZB2 650's Avatar
  • Offline
  • User
  • User
    Registered
  • Posts: 1472
  • Thanks: 264

Re: secondary shaft retaining plate

17 Jan 2016 11:54 - 17 Jan 2016 12:00
#707052
You "might have too grind the tip off a little is all...... search JIS bits on here for Ed's write up.......Look under "tools" then JIS screwdrivers around the 4th tread down ........ looks like you still might get em out but that one is tore up pretty bad...... mine were tough but I got em.
1978 KZ650 b-2
700cc Wiseco kit 10 to 1.
1980 KZ750 cam, ape springs, stock clutch/ Barnett springs.
Vance and Hines Header w/ comp baffle and Ape pods, Dyna S and green coils, copper wires.
29MM smooth bores W/ 17.5 pilots, 0-6s and 117.5 main
16/42 gearing X ring chain and alum rear JT sprocket.
Last edit: 17 Jan 2016 12:00 by KZB2 650.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • SWest
  • SWest's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Sustaining Member
  • Sustaining Member
    Registered
  • 10 22 2014
  • Posts: 23779
  • Thanks: 3045

Re: secondary shaft retaining plate

17 Jan 2016 11:58
#707053
cherrymetal wrote: Please see attached

That's not too bad. Take your impact bit that fits as well as can be and use a hammer with it to clean up the damage. You might start with the smallest one the go to the next size up. With the hammering it should be loosing them up too. You need a impact driver to do this.
Steve

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • TexasKZ
  • TexasKZ's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
    Registered
  • Posts: 8405
  • Thanks: 2789

Re: secondary shaft retaining plate

17 Jan 2016 16:21
#707076
1982 KZ1000 LTD parts donor
1981 KZ1000 LTD slowly moving toward resurrection
2000 ZRX1100 not ridden enough

www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/620336...amateur-build-thread

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • Nessism
  • Nessism's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Sustaining Member
  • Sustaining Member
    Registered
  • Posts: 8205
  • Thanks: 3577

Re: secondary shaft retaining plate

17 Jan 2016 18:09
#707083
People around here are JIS crazy. A regular old #2 phillips bit on an impact driver will remove those screws. There is thread lock on those screws so use a little heat if you can't get them out easily.

Now that they are buggered you may have to use a dremel cutoff wheel and make a slot, then use a blade bit in your impact driver. I should have those parts in the spares bin if you need a new plate and screws.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Moderators: Street Fighter LTD
Powered by Kunena Forum