Threaded hole on starter damaged that holds cover
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Threaded hole on starter damaged that holds cover
16 Nov 2015 03:46 - 16 Nov 2015 03:48
So I am going over my new to me 82 KZ750H. One thing I noticed as I was working on the exhaust is the starter cover is missing. And one of the threaded holes on the starter itself (that hold the starter cover in place) is broken. Hence probably the reason the cover is missing. Well I can find a new cover on Ebay real cheap, not worried about that.
Question is, since the cover will only be held in place by one screw, in stead of the two it should have, will it be a problem with damage getting into the starter? I can get a starter body for not too bad on Ebay, maybe even its a good idea to rebuild the starter now (even though its running fine?)
Or am I overthinking this, put the cover on with one screw and get out and ride it already?
Question is, since the cover will only be held in place by one screw, in stead of the two it should have, will it be a problem with damage getting into the starter? I can get a starter body for not too bad on Ebay, maybe even its a good idea to rebuild the starter now (even though its running fine?)
Or am I overthinking this, put the cover on with one screw and get out and ride it already?
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Re: Threaded hole on starter damaged that holds cover
16 Nov 2015 07:42
Depends how much money you want to spend. Getting a 'new' starter motor and rebuilding it certainly wouldn't hurt anything. Alternatively this is a situation where it would be fine to improvise something, like expoxying an appropriately sized nut onto the starter where the threaded post used to be.
Yeah, you can ride it with just the one screw. It's fine.
Yeah, you can ride it with just the one screw. It's fine.
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Re: Threaded hole on starter damaged that holds cover
16 Nov 2015 08:09jackleberry wrote: Alternatively this is a situation where it would be fine to improvise something, like expoxying an appropriately sized nut onto the starter where the threaded post used to be.
thanks, that's a great idea. Its not going to cost anything to try and wont damage the starter body any more than it already is.
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Re: Threaded hole on starter damaged that holds cover
16 Nov 2015 08:20
Pic? If it's the outside one, you may be able to drill it out and extract the bolt.
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Re: Threaded hole on starter damaged that holds cover
16 Nov 2015 14:59
Its not the bolt from the cover that is broken, its the threaded shaft which is integral to the starter body. That is snapped off
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Re: Threaded hole on starter damaged that holds cover
16 Nov 2015 15:23
You mean the long bolt that holds it together? I'd start looking for a new one before this one stops working.
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Re: Threaded hole on starter damaged that holds cover
16 Nov 2015 15:26
He's talking about the short bore holes that hold on the chrome cover/rain shield.
I'd jerryrig something together.
I'd jerryrig something together.
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Re: Threaded hole on starter damaged that holds cover
17 Nov 2015 04:14 - 17 Nov 2015 04:20
I would consider using a high temp sealant to glue the starter cover in place, especially if the jerry-rigging isn't doable.
I'm not a fan of using goop to repair mistakes, but in this case it might be appropriate.
For the bolt hole you could use a short M6 bolt/nut/washer & seal it w sealant or use a nitrile or viton o-ring.
Permatex RTV black silicone temp range is up to 450o F.
www.permatex.com/products-2/product-cate...esive-sealant-detail
I'm not a fan of using goop to repair mistakes, but in this case it might be appropriate.
For the bolt hole you could use a short M6 bolt/nut/washer & seal it w sealant or use a nitrile or viton o-ring.
Permatex RTV black silicone temp range is up to 450o F.
www.permatex.com/products-2/product-cate...esive-sealant-detail
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Re: Threaded hole on starter damaged that holds cover
17 Nov 2015 06:56
I thought of suggesting gluing it on too, but that would be a PITA whenever you needed to remove the sprocket cover. Also, messy.
However, another idea comes to mind... How about just gluing a neodymium magnet to the underside of the cover? That should hold it on, no bolts required (would have to plug those holes though).
However, another idea comes to mind... How about just gluing a neodymium magnet to the underside of the cover? That should hold it on, no bolts required (would have to plug those holes though).
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Re: Threaded hole on starter damaged that holds cover
17 Nov 2015 07:04
Without pics we're just shooting in the dark here.
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Re: Threaded hole on starter damaged that holds cover
17 Nov 2015 08:24 - 17 Nov 2015 08:26That's a good point. I was thinking he might not have to remove the engine/sprocket cover very often, and if he applied an appropriate amount of the stuff & used masking tape to do a clean job, maybe it won't be that big of a deal. ??? The goopy idea is a last resort sort of thing, in case the thread repair doesn't work.I thought of suggesting gluing it on too, but that would be a PITA whenever you needed to remove the sprocket cover. Also, messy. ....
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Re: Threaded hole on starter damaged that holds cover
17 Nov 2015 08:39
It's she and I suspect I was right all along. If it's the cover bolt on the outside, it can be drilled and extracted. If it's the one towards the middle of the engine, the carbs can be taken off, then drilled and extracted. I don't care much for jury rigging something that can be fixed right with a little effort.
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