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Re: symptoms of weak valve springs?

06 Jul 2015 20:54
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Cold is the heat range. B8ES is normal, B7ES is hotter, B9ES is colder. It's for compensating for hot or cold conditions. Running too hot? Put in a colder plug and so on.
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Re: symptoms of weak valve springs?

06 Jul 2015 22:39
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swest wrote: Cold is the heat range. B8ES is normal, B7ES is hotter, B9ES is colder. It's for compensating for hot or cold conditions. Running too hot? Put in a colder plug and so on.
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Re: symptoms of weak valve springs?

06 Jul 2015 22:40
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swest wrote: Cold is the heat range. B8ES is normal, B7ES is hotter, B9ES is colder. It's for compensating for hot or cold conditions. Running too hot? Put in a colder plug and so on.
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Re: symptoms of weak valve springs?

07 Jul 2015 04:34
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swest wrote: He's new and feels like he's been ganged up on. I know the feeling. That's not allowed here nor is outright profanity.
If you want us to work with you, it has to be both ways. Now, back to the question?
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For my part, having followed the thread, I wasn't trying to be "Mean" or Disrespectful, just saying I think 650ED was right, the problem sure sounds like its Clutch based and maybe realted to type of Oil used. I understand that the OP is new and we all have made mistakes, I sure as heck have myself. So, I hope my +1 didnt upset the OP or anyone else, wasnt my intention.
I hope we hear of the resolution and good Luck to the OP!
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Re: symptoms of weak valve springs?

07 Jul 2015 06:06
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650ed wrote: You state "was riding it today in 5th gear I was letting the rpms climb higher and higher and all the sudden the power was gone then I let the throttle down a bit and it caught again."

That has nothing whatsoever to do with valve springs. Your clutch is slipping - no doubt about it.

Why do you keep using car oil if you have had problems with the clutch? You should be using oil that is JASO-MA compliant. Castol car oil is not. Take it from a guy who replaced the clutch in his KZ650 after using the new formula (years ago) Castrol 10W-40. If you keep using car oil you will continue to risk having clutch problems.

How did you adjust the clutch? Do you own a Kawasaki Service Manual for your KZ650? If not, what did you use as a guide regarding adjusting the clutch?

Tell what you did to "adjust the timing". Did you replace the points and condensers? What procedure did you use? Do you have a timing light and dwell meter? Replacing the points and condensers is part of normal maintenance, but it has nothing to do with the clutch slipping.

Your KZ650 should be very quick, but it will not be worth riding if it is not properly tuned and has a clutch that is properly adjusted and not slipping. Ed

It's motorcycle oil thank u! Not car oil douche

lol don't listen to him about 650's, he's only had one for 40 years. :laugh:

Your clutch might need adjustment following your replaced springs, the adjuster is under a plate on the chain casing. Also it is possible that your plain and/or friction plates are defective, whilst being within service limit thickness, they may be contaminated, glazed or warped.
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Re: symptoms of weak valve springs?

07 Jul 2015 06:09
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Dealing with the unknown can be overwhelming and the responses too. It's easy to take things the wrong way, we all know that. What makes this site unique is all the knowledge and experience mixed with a little tolerance and understanding leads to a solution most of the time. I didn't want to send his post to the problem thread area too soon in hopes the poster would see we were just trying to help. He started communicating again and I hope we all can move on and help find a solution to his problem.
Two months ago there was a poster that asked a question, took the answers all wrong, then acted like a two year old and wound up being banned. He like others could have PM'd the Mod with a apology but chose not to.. That's his loss.
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Re: symptoms of weak valve springs?

07 Jul 2015 09:24
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Part of the problem we have here is that it's very difficult to diagnose running problems on a bike that has been neglected. Lack of maintenance in other words. Valve adjustment, verify the petcock and tank vent are working properly, make sure the carbs are clean and synced, points are clean and properly set, plug wires/caps in good working order, airbox installed and sealed, a clean air filter, etc. Very often running problems go away after the bike is fully serviced. If not, at least you know what the problem is not.

So how about describing in more detail what happened when the problem acted up? Did the rpm's shoot up when the engine lost power (which would suggest the clutch)? Did the rpm's drop as the engine lost power, almost like the fuel was cut off? What happened in as much detail as you can muster to explain?

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Re: symptoms of weak valve springs?

07 Jul 2015 17:36
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Where's Kitten Tooth...he could fix this....
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Re: symptoms of weak valve springs?

07 Jul 2015 18:11 - 07 Jul 2015 18:12
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kaw-a-holic wrote: Lets start with this. Do you have a service manual for your bike?[/quot8e]

Yeah a clymer

That will get you started, but I would suggest a shop manual, you just can beat one for the info available in it. They have a great maintenance chart and section that should be completely gone through with the purchase of a new bike. The previous owners always say how they took awesome care of the bike but never seen to hand over the shop manual with the bike.

You mentioned that you were going to check the filters and tank vent, how did that go?
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Re: symptoms of weak valve springs?

07 Jul 2015 19:05 - 07 Jul 2015 19:18
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I read all the comments and suggest a simple oil change to determine if the problem goes away. Are you due for a oil change? For the record "10W 40 castrol conventional oil" is not a good oil to run on your bike because it's a modern oil with friction modifiers (detergents) for new engines that require lower emissions (etc etc). Don't over think it.. grab some Vavoline 4-stroke motorcycle oil and ride for 200 miles and report back.

other possibles:
  • Clymer is the CliffsNotes version of the Kawasaki Factory Service Manual (FSM), every owner wrenching needs to own the FSM OR don't come here looking for answers because we are looking in the FSM for you, some know it by heart
  • timing at high rpm - could be a dirty or faulty timing advancer unit
  • ignition coils spiking under heat strain from engine at high rpms - check coil resistance while using a heat gun to determine condition
  • valve shims out of tolerance?
  • valve assembly air switch bad
  • valve assembly reeds bad
  • plugs look on the hot/lean side, adjust air mix 1/8-1/2 turn to rich. Not enough fuel could be causing the engine to choke up with throttle
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Re: symptoms of weak valve springs?

07 Jul 2015 19:16
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LarryC wrote: Where's Kitten Tooth...he could fix this....

+1

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Re: symptoms of weak valve springs?

07 Jul 2015 19:20
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Might be as simple as a slightly kinked fuel line, or it could be all the above.
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