KZ 400 Shifter Pedal not Returning

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07 Feb 2016 16:22 #709881 by Tmiron
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TexasKZ wrote: Most of the time it is a broken or worn out spring. They are usually not that hard to replace. This problem can also be caused by a heavy build up of chain lube and dirt where the shifter shaft goes through the case.


Thanks. That's what I was figuring based on my online research. I took the left side cover off and even with the clutch disengaged completely the pedal was lose. I found out how to get to the spring Here on page 76. Looks like it's going to be a difficult job getting to the spring.

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07 Feb 2016 16:38 #709882 by TexasKZ
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The link won't work for me, but the spring should be relatively to access.

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08 Feb 2016 02:35 - 08 Feb 2016 02:43 #709909 by mikoarts
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Tmiron, thanks for asking here and reminding me to thank everyone previous who helped me with their awesome advice! Motorcycle life got so busy that year I completely spaced on coming back around and updating everyone on how amazing and easy a job & fix that was!

I had to get a hammer drill, or impact driver I think it's properly called, (Harbor Fright) with the Japanese Machine Tips as recommended (NOT Phillips head!!!) and the worst screw maybe took 7-10 gentle-but-firm held whacks to come loose. Is yours a KZ1000? It may have allen heads which could be easier to remove? Nonetheless, I don't know how different the two overall designs will end up being, but I can't imagine they'd be THAT different - As you can see from the video I did (and just uploaded tonight to reply to your question :) ) the spring is



EASY TO SEE & FIX, once you remove the clutch basket and primary chain and all the stuff between those parts and the right case cover lol :D :D :D

That was the 'hardest' part. Really, just getting the circlips off some of the retainer rings on the clutch & timing / drive shaft was a challenge - I didn't have the 'proper tool' but I figured out how to rig a pair of needle noses and a flathead screwdriver 'just so' and they came out with a little nudging and meditation lol :D ...

Hope you have a great time tearing into it - I know I did, and again, I have to thank everyone here for their wonderful advice and support! Miko


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08 Feb 2016 06:02 #709954 by SWest
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It's under all that? Good to know for the ones with the 400/440's. B)
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08 Feb 2016 06:18 #709955 by Tmiron
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Thank you so much Mikoarts!!! Mine is a KZ400 as well and this video is just what I needed!!

Were did you guys get you JIS bit? I've got a whole new sew of hex head Stainless steel bolts to replace everything with, but having the proper bit to get the old screws out might help.

Thanks again, you are a life saver!

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08 Feb 2016 11:24 #709994 by mikoarts
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@Tmiron - No problem at all!

You know, the set at Harbor Fr(e)ight came with EXACTLY the bit I needed! Just go get the set - It was just a couple bucks ($8 maybe?) and just sitting around since then probably caused the self-destructing-H-F-Nano-Tech to self destruct, but! Fortunately the sets I think all come with exactly the bits you need - Go down there and grab one! Let's see the pics as you tear in!

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10 Feb 2016 11:54 - 10 Feb 2016 12:01 #710303 by Tmiron
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Thanks for your help! It was in fact a broken shift pedal return spring. I ordered a new spring, gasket, and oil filter. I have a question about putting it all back together. It seemed like there was a sealant on the the two screws that held the shift shaft in (#5 in the photo below). Liquid gasket? Locktite? Thanks!


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10 Feb 2016 12:37 #710304 by 650ed
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Take a look at your Kawasaki Service Manual in the table that shows torque specs. There you will see which fasteners require a locking agent. Ed

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10 Feb 2016 13:38 - 10 Feb 2016 13:41 #710315 by SWest
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They changed the spring. The early Z1's had a two wound spring that was weaker than the later ones where they added another wind. Z1 sent me the weaker one and I had a three wind one so I kept this one as a spare. Not worth the postage there and back plus the little more I had to pay for the better one.
Use some lock tight on those two screws you were asking about.
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10 Feb 2016 13:41 #710316 by Tmiron
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Crap, I just ordered one from the Z1 link above. Am I going to get the weak one? Where did you get the 3 wind one?

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10 Feb 2016 19:07 #710374 by TexasKZ
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I apologize for my previous comment. :blush: On the bigger engines, that mechanism is on the left side of the engine and much easier to access.
Sheesh. :blink:

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