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29 Aug 2012 07:49 #545427
by Old Man Rock
1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter
Phoenix, Az
Replied by Old Man Rock on topic Overheated engine = Boiling Gas!
I live in AZ (110-115F) and don't have/never have had GAS BOILING :blink:
Bingo Patton, Electric fan ALWAYS in garage/idle tuning, carb sync, valve ajustments etc...
most likely I'm miss understanding but with a shorted to frame coil winding, would have thought a blown fuse would have ended current path to tank issues... Something just not right here... :S
Bingo Patton, Electric fan ALWAYS in garage/idle tuning, carb sync, valve ajustments etc...
most likely I'm miss understanding but with a shorted to frame coil winding, would have thought a blown fuse would have ended current path to tank issues... Something just not right here... :S
1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter
Phoenix, Az
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29 Aug 2012 11:40 #545457
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321,000 miles on KZ's that I can remember. Not going to see any more.
Replied by RonKZ650 on topic Overheated engine = Boiling Gas!
Yes, something very wrong. Impossible for electrical short to heat the tank, and assuming you had 2 gallons of gas in the tank, the paint would all be melted off the tank, all the fuel lines would be burned way before the gas would even be warm enough to boil.
321,000 miles on KZ's that I can remember. Not going to see any more.
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29 Aug 2012 12:21 #545460
by XL777
2012 Triumph Bonneville SE black
1978 KZ1000 B2 LTD
Fresh top end rebuild
Rebuilt head
Wiseco 1015 pistons
Dyna s
Green Dyna coils
Wired george mod
It is easier to say what I haven't replaced then what I have.
I must love this cruel mistress since she hates me
Replied by XL777 on topic Overheated engine = Boiling Gas!
Ya it appeared to be boiling but it may have just been the heated gas vapors.
I have ruled out electrical as well.
I'm certain it was just over heated as the fresh oil was burnt.
New oil this weekend and see what happeneds.
What else could be wrong?
I have ruled out electrical as well.
I'm certain it was just over heated as the fresh oil was burnt.
New oil this weekend and see what happeneds.
What else could be wrong?
2012 Triumph Bonneville SE black
1978 KZ1000 B2 LTD
Fresh top end rebuild
Rebuilt head
Wiseco 1015 pistons
Dyna s
Green Dyna coils
Wired george mod
It is easier to say what I haven't replaced then what I have.
I must love this cruel mistress since she hates me
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29 Aug 2012 12:21 - 29 Aug 2012 12:26 #545461
by OldSchoolZ
Remember, don't work on your bike so much you never ride it.
Replied by OldSchoolZ on topic Overheated engine = Boiling Gas!
Its never impossible for an electrical issue to heat up a metal object, that being said. I'll refrain from trying to help people diagnose without being able to see the bike first hand.
Theres too many that know exactly what can and cant happen to continue.
If you take anything from what I typed, check all your electrical, though, with burnt oil smell like you are now describing, might possibly be a totally different issue...oil flow?
I wrenched on bikes for a living for over 20 years and have seen some crazy things. Much of what I recall is from a while back though, since you dont see these bikes much anymore.
Its hard to have been a mechanic and hang out ata forum.
Take care guys, I remember why I quit going to motorcycle sites.
Theres too many that know exactly what can and cant happen to continue.
If you take anything from what I typed, check all your electrical, though, with burnt oil smell like you are now describing, might possibly be a totally different issue...oil flow?
I wrenched on bikes for a living for over 20 years and have seen some crazy things. Much of what I recall is from a while back though, since you dont see these bikes much anymore.
Its hard to have been a mechanic and hang out ata forum.
Take care guys, I remember why I quit going to motorcycle sites.
Remember, don't work on your bike so much you never ride it.
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29 Aug 2012 17:03 #545503
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Replied by pig9r on topic Overheated engine = Boiling Gas!
I have a triumph rocket 3. For those not familiar it 2300cc's and water-cooled. If in heavy traffic for extended periods the gas will boil. The tank is vented so you can pop the cap and see it. But the water temp stays around 212. It only takes about 180 degrees to boil gas. Considering what exhaust gas temps are, it wouldn't take the tank and frame that long to get heat soaked. And it's not surprising that after idling for 20 mins on a hot day that yours boiled and i would bet your electrical issues are from stuff being cooked.
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29 Aug 2012 20:41 #545533
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1980 kz1000B4 LTD- 1327cc 9-1 comp
Ported J model head
Psp-3x cams
RS 36s
Welded MK11 crank
Back-cut MK11 trans
MTC 2 stage lock up
Stretched 4-6 over running Hayabusa rear rim with 190 rear tire
Complete frame brace kit installed
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2014- ZX14R all stock for now
Replied by Powerstroke_fan on topic Overheated engine = Boiling Gas!
Id say just change the oil and filter and try to start it up and see how it sounds and if it sounds ok, ride it. Just dont let it sit and run for twenty min. These old air cooled bikes need moving air.
1980 kz1000B4 LTD- 1327cc 9-1 comp
Ported J model head
Psp-3x cams
RS 36s
Welded MK11 crank
Back-cut MK11 trans
MTC 2 stage lock up
Stretched 4-6 over running Hayabusa rear rim with 190 rear tire
Complete frame brace kit installed
And Much Much more- SOLD
2014- ZX14R all stock for now
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29 Aug 2012 21:42 #545543
by lemo32
1979 kz 1000 06 katana 750
Replied by lemo32 on topic Overheated engine = Boiling Gas!
Sounds like you may have an issue with the vent in the gas cap itself, you said the bike stalled then hissed, then opened it up and it was under pressure, would check that vent for sure.
1979 kz 1000 06 katana 750
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01 Sep 2012 00:14 #545980
by XL777
2012 Triumph Bonneville SE black
1978 KZ1000 B2 LTD
Fresh top end rebuild
Rebuilt head
Wiseco 1015 pistons
Dyna s
Green Dyna coils
Wired george mod
It is easier to say what I haven't replaced then what I have.
I must love this cruel mistress since she hates me
Replied by XL777 on topic Overheated engine = Boiling Gas!
Replaced the oil and filter. Let it warm up then Took it for a spin I may have issues.
Issue: Bike acts sluggish doesn't have that nice kz kick
Theory 1: new clutch dragging. Can't seem to get it set up either it drags after release in first gear or it launches you. Adjusted a few times can get it close but not good enough. Noticed a little bit more peppy after a few adjustments. With it set up like the book describes the clutch drags in first. To get it close to feeling normal I need to have the middle adjuster fully slack and the handle adjuster about 10mm out. Way off spec.
Theory 2: valves need adjustment. There is a much louder clacking in the top end way more the usual I have not adjusted them since the rebuild 800 km ago.
Theory 3: electrical issues again.
I'm going with a combo of theory 1 and 2. Start with checking the valves. Any ideas on why the clutch is not. Setting up? I replaced thef fiber plates and cleaned off all the years of oxidization and have newer cable.
A side issue I believe I have a weeping gasket between the bottom and top end ug. That's a pain to fix! As well I'm having issue keeping idling.
Needless to say none of these issues were there prior to my stupidity
Issue: Bike acts sluggish doesn't have that nice kz kick
Theory 1: new clutch dragging. Can't seem to get it set up either it drags after release in first gear or it launches you. Adjusted a few times can get it close but not good enough. Noticed a little bit more peppy after a few adjustments. With it set up like the book describes the clutch drags in first. To get it close to feeling normal I need to have the middle adjuster fully slack and the handle adjuster about 10mm out. Way off spec.
Theory 2: valves need adjustment. There is a much louder clacking in the top end way more the usual I have not adjusted them since the rebuild 800 km ago.
Theory 3: electrical issues again.
I'm going with a combo of theory 1 and 2. Start with checking the valves. Any ideas on why the clutch is not. Setting up? I replaced thef fiber plates and cleaned off all the years of oxidization and have newer cable.
A side issue I believe I have a weeping gasket between the bottom and top end ug. That's a pain to fix! As well I'm having issue keeping idling.
Needless to say none of these issues were there prior to my stupidity
2012 Triumph Bonneville SE black
1978 KZ1000 B2 LTD
Fresh top end rebuild
Rebuilt head
Wiseco 1015 pistons
Dyna s
Green Dyna coils
Wired george mod
It is easier to say what I haven't replaced then what I have.
I must love this cruel mistress since she hates me
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01 Sep 2012 04:19 #546003
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1973 z1 2-1974z1-a,2-1975z1-b dragbikes1015cc+1393cc, 1977kz1000,1978kz1000,1981kz1000j, 1997 zx-11, 2000 z12r,1428turbo nitrous pro-mod and a shit load of parts thats all for now leader sask.,CANADA
I THINK MY POWERBAND BROKE
Replied by timebomb33 on topic Overheated engine = Boiling Gas!
where in alberta are you i maybe able to talk you through some of your problems give me a call 1-306-628-7460
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I THINK MY POWERBAND BROKE
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01 Sep 2012 16:11 #546068
by XL777
2012 Triumph Bonneville SE black
1978 KZ1000 B2 LTD
Fresh top end rebuild
Rebuilt head
Wiseco 1015 pistons
Dyna s
Green Dyna coils
Wired george mod
It is easier to say what I haven't replaced then what I have.
I must love this cruel mistress since she hates me
Replied by XL777 on topic Overheated engine = Boiling Gas!
Thanks Time Bomb I'm tied up today but I will call I appreciate it.
I checked the valves this am and found:
1. the cam caps were not as tight as the should be so I re torqued
2. cam 4 inner and outer shim had no clearance where it was spec prior
4. cam 2 inner shim had no clearance where there was prior
All other shims withing .05-.1
5. The exhaust cam lobes on appear more worn then the others. I'm going to check the measurement and see if I have worn them past tolerance. have pics
6. head gasket baked
7. Definite weeping between the cylinder and bottom end gasket that sucks!
I checked the valves this am and found:
1. the cam caps were not as tight as the should be so I re torqued
2. cam 4 inner and outer shim had no clearance where it was spec prior
4. cam 2 inner shim had no clearance where there was prior
All other shims withing .05-.1
5. The exhaust cam lobes on appear more worn then the others. I'm going to check the measurement and see if I have worn them past tolerance. have pics
6. head gasket baked
7. Definite weeping between the cylinder and bottom end gasket that sucks!
2012 Triumph Bonneville SE black
1978 KZ1000 B2 LTD
Fresh top end rebuild
Rebuilt head
Wiseco 1015 pistons
Dyna s
Green Dyna coils
Wired george mod
It is easier to say what I haven't replaced then what I have.
I must love this cruel mistress since she hates me
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01 Sep 2012 16:17 - 01 Sep 2012 16:33 #546070
by XL777
ex cam 1 outer
2012 Triumph Bonneville SE black
1978 KZ1000 B2 LTD
Fresh top end rebuild
Rebuilt head
Wiseco 1015 pistons
Dyna s
Green Dyna coils
Wired george mod
It is easier to say what I haven't replaced then what I have.
I must love this cruel mistress since she hates me
Replied by XL777 on topic Overheated engine = engine problems?
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ex cam 1 outer
2012 Triumph Bonneville SE black
1978 KZ1000 B2 LTD
Fresh top end rebuild
Rebuilt head
Wiseco 1015 pistons
Dyna s
Green Dyna coils
Wired george mod
It is easier to say what I haven't replaced then what I have.
I must love this cruel mistress since she hates me
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01 Sep 2012 16:17 - 01 Sep 2012 16:33 #546071
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excam2out
2012 Triumph Bonneville SE black
1978 KZ1000 B2 LTD
Fresh top end rebuild
Rebuilt head
Wiseco 1015 pistons
Dyna s
Green Dyna coils
Wired george mod
It is easier to say what I haven't replaced then what I have.
I must love this cruel mistress since she hates me
Replied by XL777 on topic Overheated engine = engine problems?
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excam2out
2012 Triumph Bonneville SE black
1978 KZ1000 B2 LTD
Fresh top end rebuild
Rebuilt head
Wiseco 1015 pistons
Dyna s
Green Dyna coils
Wired george mod
It is easier to say what I haven't replaced then what I have.
I must love this cruel mistress since she hates me
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