Oil leaking at the cam cover - KZ1000
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13 Jun 2012 23:52 - 13 Jun 2012 23:54 #529001
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My '78 KZ1000 runs so nicely - I hope I can get this cam cover leak fixed soon! First I replaced the cam caps and was still having oil leak issues. Then I thought maybe the leaks were because the cam cover was chromed and the smooth surface made it harder to get a good seal. Some suggested that might be the cause and that if the sealing surface were roughed up that might fix it.
Instead, I decided to take a regular (unchromed) cover off a spare KZ1000 motor. There were no oil leaks on that one.
Now I've got that unchromed cover on the bike, new gasket and oil is definitely leaking from above the gasket. I have the cover bolts evenly torqued.
So I'm thinking of two possible solutions. One is to seal the top of the cover to the gasket with Permatex Ultra Black. The other idea is to use two cam cover gaskets. I don't have an extra on hand and will have to order it.
Thoughts?
Instead, I decided to take a regular (unchromed) cover off a spare KZ1000 motor. There were no oil leaks on that one.
Now I've got that unchromed cover on the bike, new gasket and oil is definitely leaking from above the gasket. I have the cover bolts evenly torqued.
So I'm thinking of two possible solutions. One is to seal the top of the cover to the gasket with Permatex Ultra Black. The other idea is to use two cam cover gaskets. I don't have an extra on hand and will have to order it.
Thoughts?
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13 Jun 2012 23:58 #529004
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Current Bikes: KZ440 LTD and KZ305 CSR
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I just put mine back on and put ultra grey around all the rubber mating surface of the cam plugs and it sealed really nice.
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14 Jun 2012 00:18 #529007
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is it an emission control head. if it is you might have used the wrong gasket?
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14 Jun 2012 04:15 #529032
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Replied by Kapahulu on topic Oil leaking at the cam cover - KZ1000
No it's a '78 head and the gasket is correct.
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16 Jun 2012 17:53 - 16 Jun 2012 17:54 #529637
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Replied by Kapahulu on topic Oil leaking at the cam cover - KZ1000
I tried sealing up the existing gasket (which is pretty new) up with Permatex Ultra Black above and below the gasket. Didn't work, still leaking.
Now I'm out of valve cover gaskets until my order comes in from Z1 Enterprises. In the meantime, maybe I'll remove the gasket completely and try forming one with the Permatex.
Now I'm out of valve cover gaskets until my order comes in from Z1 Enterprises. In the meantime, maybe I'll remove the gasket completely and try forming one with the Permatex.
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16 Jun 2012 20:45 #529691
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Where is the leak? Is it possible that it's coming from the tach cable area? That's a common leak.
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16 Jun 2012 21:45 #529697
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Replied by Kapahulu on topic Oil leaking at the cam cover - KZ1000
It's the cam cover, not the tach cable area. Funny because I changed cam covers and am using one from an engine that did not have leaks. And I'm using a brand new gasket.
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17 Jun 2012 00:51 #529738
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If still leaking after new gasket and previously non leaking cover I would look at the mating surface for damage
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17 Jun 2012 01:26 - 17 Jun 2012 01:28 #529756
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Both sides of gasket,let it get tacky before installing ,that gasket maker in a tube could end up someplace you dont want it
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17 Jun 2012 14:23 - 17 Jun 2012 14:25 #529873
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Replied by Kapahulu on topic Oil leaking at the cam cover - KZ1000
The mating surface (top of the head) looks fine. After removing the gasket and cleaning the surfaces, I put the cam cover on and noted some areas where the two surfaces have more space between them in some spots. And they seem to be the same places where the oil is leaking out.
Yesterday I cleaned both surfaces, put Permatex Ultra Black all around and put the cover on with the bolts finger tight. Tonight I'll tighten up the bolts and then try it out.
Wireman, next time I take the cover off and when I have a cam cover gasket, I'll go with your recommendation. If the Permatex Ultra Black works I won't be taking this cover off for a long time.
Yesterday I cleaned both surfaces, put Permatex Ultra Black all around and put the cover on with the bolts finger tight. Tonight I'll tighten up the bolts and then try it out.
Wireman, next time I take the cover off and when I have a cam cover gasket, I'll go with your recommendation. If the Permatex Ultra Black works I won't be taking this cover off for a long time.
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18 Jun 2012 05:07 #530049
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The Permatex Ultra Black was a terrible failure without a gasket. Don't bother trying it!
I checked USPS, the new gaskets should be here tomorrow.
I checked USPS, the new gaskets should be here tomorrow.
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18 Jun 2012 08:42 #530064
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When you tighten the valve cover bolts start in the center and work your way out to both sides to avoid warping the center
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