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26 Nov 2009 05:00 #336004 by 81kz550b2
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Hey guys,

I'm working on my 1981 kz550b2 and found that I've got quite a rattling cam chain. So far I didn't investigate the problem, but I know rattling cam chains are not uncommon in this type of bike. I also know that the tensioners are not the best in the world, so I might have to look for another cam chain tensioner. Now what I wanted to find out was which cam chain tensioners fit my bike? Cause I would think if I was Kawasaki I wouldn't redesign a cam chain tensioner for every bike, but I would make the cylinder block in such a way that I can use an existing cam chain tensioner...for axample...would a GPz600 tensioner fit?? Coz they're way easier to find second hand...

Any other suggestions?

Cheers!
Dirk

1981 kz550b2
1984 kz750E (Turbo)
1989 GPz1000RX (Burnt down on the German Autobahn...)
Enschede
Netherlands

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26 Nov 2009 08:16 #336022 by loudhvx
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The cam chain tensioners work fine until people damage them. Most people, (even Kawasaki mechanics) don't realize you can't re-install the valve cover without releasing the cam chain tensioner. The valve cover has a chain guide on it and is an integral part of the cam timing. When you force the cover down without loosening the cam chain tension, you stretch the chain or grind the chain guides or damage the chain tensioner.

The system works well as long as it doesn't get damaged by mechanics. Most of them, however, do get damaged/stretched as the bikes change ownership... especially when people don't read the repair manuals. (There are even warnings in the text).

There are a few aftermarket chain tensioners available for the 550's. I'm not sure who makes them, but they are usually manual adjustment type. This won't fix the underlying problems if the chain is already stretched or the guides are damaged, which is often the case. The other problem with the manual ones is people forget to adjust them. An undamaged, automatic one will probably work just as well and is automatic.

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26 Nov 2009 09:23 #336038 by YUKABODOS
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I bought a new manual "APE" cam chain tensioner. In retrospect, I think I would have been happier if I bought a NOS or salvage automatic tensioner. The APE are now sold at Z1 and from APE directly, but the colour is a horrible metallic blue, so I painted mine grey to better match the engine.

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26 Nov 2009 10:18 #336045 by APE Jay
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I saw the guys packaging up some black ones yesterday

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26 Nov 2009 10:45 #336047 by timebomb33
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that's okay Jay the "horribile" blue matches my eyes so i like it myself. black is boring you always need some color in your life.

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26 Nov 2009 10:59 - 26 Nov 2009 10:59 #336052 by txturbo
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A used tensioner will probably be just as good as the one you already have.Just remove the short bolt in the side of the tensioner,stick a small screwdriver in the hole and push the tensioner against the chain while rolling the motor backswards a little to take up the slack in the chain then replace it with a longer bolt with a nut and snug it up and use the nut to lock it in place.You have now created a manual cam chain tensioner.

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26 Nov 2009 11:06 #336053 by bill_wilcox100
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81kz550b2 wrote:

Hey guys,

I'm working on my 1981 KZ550-B2 and found that I've got quite a rattling cam chain. So far I didn't investigate the problem, but I know rattling cam chains are not uncommon in this type of bike.
Cheers!
Dirk


Just an observation... I had a lot of funky sounds coming from my engine when I got it from the OP. Like you after some research I began to believe that it was inherent to the engine design. Over time I auto-adjusted the tensioner, adjusted the carbs air/gas ratio and timing without a lot of improvement. :(

Then one day I bought a set of vacuum gauges and did the carb sync. What a difference. Runs as smooth as a sewing machine... really. :cheer:

So now, hearing reports of rattles, I wonder how many KZ's out there are just in need of a good carb sync. Makes me wonder? :unsure:

Best of success. :)
Bill

PS
Got access to vacuum gauges?
Bill

1977 KZ650-B1 (Stock)
Upgrades:
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- Dyna 3 Ohm Coils (DC1-1)
- Coil Repowering Mod
- Progressive Springs Front & Rear
- Saddlemen Seat Cover
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26 Nov 2009 11:15 #336054 by loudhvx
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txturbo wrote:

A used tensioner will probably be just as good as the one you already have.Just remove the short bolt in the side of the tensioner,stick a small screwdriver in the hole and push the tensioner against the chain while rolling the motor backswards a little to take up the slack in the chain then replace it with a longer bolt with a nut and snug it up and use the nut to lock it in place.You have now created a manual cam chain tensioner.


The 550 tensioner is slightly different. It doesn't have the little side bolt like on the 750's.

Yeah, should have mentioned like Bill did, synchronizing the carbs will go a very long way to quieting down the cam chain rattle and the primary chain slap (louder clunking down low in the motor, usually loud when idling cold).

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26 Nov 2009 11:49 #336063 by loudhvx
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One good thing about manual tensioners, and why Kawasaki should have used them instead, is when you remove the valve cover and put it back on, you don't have to mess with the tensioner.

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26 Nov 2009 15:25 #336073 by YUKABODOS
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The APE tensioner works realy well and it comes with a new gasket.

P.S.

I wasn't trying to hurt anyones feelings when I commented on the colour of the tensioner.

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26 Nov 2009 19:36 #336092 by timebomb33
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thats okay they really don't match my eyes either i just like the color.

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27 Nov 2009 06:11 #336118 by 81kz550b2
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PS
Got access to vacuum gauges?
Bill

got a set yes, but I don't believe this is the problem. I know this bike quite well and would be surprised if the carbs are way out of sync. Unless the bike is very sensitive to the slightest unsynchronisation I don't think this is it it. I will think about it though and get it checked, to make sure.

1981 kz550b2
1984 kz750E (Turbo)
1989 GPz1000RX (Burnt down on the German Autobahn...)
Enschede
Netherlands

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