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Re: 1978 kz1000a renew and revenge project

17 Oct 2025 12:26
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Thanks Wookie, i was plum lazy and read thru it all! But some semblance of what i did say still stands, although feeble now, ha. 
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17 Oct 2025 15:45 - 17 Oct 2025 19:02
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Hi all — first off, thanks for the help and the knowledge here. I’m grateful for the experience this forum brings.I’ve tuned a lot of carbs (and done plenty of EFI builds), so I’m not expecting carburetors to behave like EFI. I’m using a single wideband to guide changes with a simple goal: a bike that starts, runs, and travels reliably. Power and efficiency are secondary. Ive tuned inline 4 motorcycle engines with carbs and oxygen sensors many times over a 15 year period. It wont be like efi but it will be as good as anything else. The point isnt to pursue perfection. The point is to run in it in the cold/warm/altiitude/fuel grades and find the best compromise or middle ground. But most of all I will be making changes based on the experiences ive already had and combining them with specifics I learn from you on the kz1000.

On jets: my mains are close to what’s been suggested. I’m currently experimenting with non-Mikuni jets. I don’t recommend that route for most people, and I only went there because I’m comfortable measuring/machining and accepting the risk. For anyone not wanting that risk, please follow the standard recommendations from the folks here.

On the choke plunger: I really appreciate the documented fix — totally agree it’s a common, under-diagnosed issue. Regarding “rubber rejuvenator,” I want to be clear: I’m not proposing it as a general solution. I’ve experimented with removing oxidized outer layers and re-plasticizing rubber (background in race-tire prep), and I’ve seen temporary improvements that are impressive (from full loose to full push). Longevity is unknown and likely limited; I’m treating it as an experiment on my own bike, not advice. For what it’s worth, I verified every circuit, including the choke, with a leak-down test before and after. 

Big picture: I’m not trying to upend KZ best practices. I respect the established guidance here and wouldn’t tell others to do what I’m doing. Some of us enjoy pushing the edges and owning the consequences — that’s on me, not the forum. If my path earns an “I told you so,” that’s fair.Thanks again for the continued guidance.

By the way, has anyone used the BS series carbs? inexpensive, for oil cooled, and one of the best carbs ever.
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Re: 1978 kz1000a renew and revenge project

20 Oct 2025 09:07
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Hi all — first off, thanks for the help and the knowledge here. I’m grateful for the experience this forum brings.I’ve tuned a lot of carbs (and done plenty of EFI builds), so I’m not expecting carburetors to behave like EFI. I’m using a single wideband to guide changes with a simple goal: a bike that starts, runs, and travels reliably. Power and efficiency are secondary. Ive tuned inline 4 motorcycle engines with carbs and oxygen sensors many times over a 15 year period. It wont be like efi but it will be as good as anything else. The point isnt to pursue perfection. The point is to run in it in the cold/warm/altiitude/fuel grades and find the best compromise or middle ground. But most of all I will be making changes based on the experiences ive already had and combining them with specifics I learn from you on the kz1000.

On jets: my mains are close to what’s been suggested. I’m currently experimenting with non-Mikuni jets. I don’t recommend that route for most people, and I only went there because I’m comfortable measuring/machining and accepting the risk. For anyone not wanting that risk, please follow the standard recommendations from the folks here.

On the choke plunger: I really appreciate the documented fix — totally agree it’s a common, under-diagnosed issue. Regarding “rubber rejuvenator,” I want to be clear: I’m not proposing it as a general solution. I’ve experimented with removing oxidized outer layers and re-plasticizing rubber (background in race-tire prep), and I’ve seen temporary improvements that are impressive (from full loose to full push). Longevity is unknown and likely limited; I’m treating it as an experiment on my own bike, not advice. For what it’s worth, I verified every circuit, including the choke, with a leak-down test before and after. 

Big picture: I’m not trying to upend KZ best practices. I respect the established guidance here and wouldn’t tell others to do what I’m doing. Some of us enjoy pushing the edges and owning the consequences — that’s on me, not the forum. If my path earns an “I told you so,” that’s fair.Thanks again for the continued guidance.

By the way, has anyone used the BS series carbs? inexpensive, for oil cooled, and one of the best carbs ever.
I have run Mikuni BS34s on a variety of things from 650s and 750s to 1000s - All my experience on them has been with air cooled motors however I don't see that being a contributing factor to the carbs performance.

Curious, What are your plans for performance to beat your uncle?
 
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Re: 1978 kz1000a renew and revenge project

20 Oct 2025 15:49
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Those BS carbs were really good in the transitions from mid to wot. Really good at elevation too.


He has a stock 76 kz900 with 4/1 and pods. still running points and has 120 main jets. plus the last time he actually did more than start it was 10 years ago. I dont think it will be too much of a problem. My bike is the same except it’s a 1000, carbs will be dialed in (air correction jets too) and electronic ignition with hot coils. All new tires and bearings . 

Is the 1000 faster than the 900 in a quarter mile?

 

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Re: 1978 kz1000a renew and revenge project

20 Oct 2025 16:50
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Those BS carbs were really good in the transitions from mid to wot. Really good at elevation too.


He has a stock 76 kz900 with 4/1 and pods. still running points and has 120 main jets. plus the last time he actually did more than start it was 10 years ago. I dont think it will be too much of a problem. My bike is the same except it’s a 1000, carbs will be dialed in (air correction jets too) and electronic ignition with hot coils. All new tires and bearings . 

Is the 1000 faster than the 900 in a quarter mile?

 

A quick google will tell you no. 
The 900s were lighter overall and spun up faster due to a lighter crank - 

If both are running well, sounds like he has the experience and is going to smoke you.... again 
 
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Re: 1978 kz1000a renew and revenge project

20 Oct 2025 18:11
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I dont know Mr. E. it sounds like you might just be fanning the flames. I used chatgpt and this is what it says.
Short answer: stock vs stock, the ’78 KZ1000A is a little faster than the ’76 KZ900.Typical period-test numbers (bone stock, good tune, pro rider):
  • 1976 KZ900 (903 cc): ~12.2–12.4 sec @ ~110–112 mph ¼-mile; top speed ~130–132 mph.
  • 1978 KZ1000A (1015 cc): ~11.7–12.0 sec @ ~114–117 mph ¼-mile; top speed ~133–136 mph.
Why: the 1000 has a bit more displacement and torque, so it pulls harder in the midrange and usually edges the 900 by a few tenths and a few mph. That said, jetting, state of tune, gearing, rider weight, and tires can easily swing the feel either way on 40-plus-year-old bikes. 

Honestly I would be happy for him if he did. But reality is ive beat him on new 600’s.

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Re: 1978 kz1000a renew and revenge project

21 Oct 2025 15:59
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Any new 600 is going to smoke these older bikes. Your talking about 100lbs less and 120+hp compared to these OGs at 500+ lbs and under 90hp.

I own a 77 1000 so I would love to see the kz1000 take it. Record and post it for us all to enjoy!
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Re: 1978 kz1000a renew and revenge project

21 Oct 2025 16:24 - 21 Oct 2025 16:25
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You bet I will. That would be fun. Have you got any secrets to share about unlocking a few ponies in the KZ1000?

I do like putting around on the KZ though. Its just a different experience.
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Re: 1978 kz1000a renew and revenge project

21 Oct 2025 20:49
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10.25:1 pistons will help...
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Re: 1978 kz1000a renew and revenge project

22 Oct 2025 06:22
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You bet I will. That would be fun. Have you got any secrets to share about unlocking a few ponies in the KZ1000?

Why don't you just ask your buddy chatgpt? He's built and tuned so may KZ's 

If somebody answers a question don't copy and paste it into that garbage then post it. Why are you on here if you already have all the answers from a bot?
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Re: 1978 kz1000a renew and revenge project

22 Oct 2025 16:32 - 22 Oct 2025 17:28
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I never said that I—or ChatGPT—had all the answers. So I’m not sure why you’re implying that. If you can’t respond to the actual content and instead focus only on emotion or dismissiveness, then maybe it’s better not to respond at all.

ChatGPT simply analyzed 20 years’ worth of KZR discussions and summarized the patterns and logic behind them. If you think it’s wrong, that’s fine—just point out where and why. That would actually help the conversation. But to call it “garbage” without offering any reasoning isn’t productive and it diminishes all of us.If you disagree, explain your logic (this would be very interesting because AI is pretty good, but it is wrong). If you have more accurate or detailed information, share it. That’s how we all learn. Nobody is claiming it’s perfect or definitive—it’s just a useful starting point for discussion.

I’m not posting things to show off or to argue. I’m contributing ideas so we (or I) can figure things out together, you arent required to contribute. I don’t need the basics explained, but I’m willing to listen out of respect for others who are trying to contribute honestly. I wont intentionally make you feel like you arent appreciated/respected unless you cannot return the same.We shouldn’t be creating an environment where people are afraid to post something that’s within the rules. So if you have a logical point, let’s hear it. If not, maybe just move on
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Re: 1978 kz1000a renew and revenge project

22 Oct 2025 18:21
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I never said that I—or ChatGPT—had all the answers. So I’m not sure why you’re implying that. If you can’t respond to the actual content and instead focus only on emotion or dismissiveness, then maybe it’s better not to respond at all.

ChatGPT simply analyzed 20 years’ worth of KZR discussions and summarized the patterns and logic behind them. If you think it’s wrong, that’s fine—just point out where and why. That would actually help the conversation. But to call it “garbage” without offering any reasoning isn’t productive and it diminishes all of us.If you disagree, explain your logic (this would be very interesting because AI is pretty good, but it is wrong). If you have more accurate or detailed information, share it. That’s how we all learn. Nobody is claiming it’s perfect or definitive—it’s just a useful starting point for discussion.

I’m not posting things to show off or to argue. I’m contributing ideas so we (or I) can figure things out together, you arent required to contribute. I don’t need the basics explained, but I’m willing to listen out of respect for others who are trying to contribute honestly. I wont intentionally make you feel like you arent appreciated/respected unless you cannot return the same.We shouldn’t be creating an environment where people are afraid to post something that’s within the rules. So if you have a logical point, let’s hear it. If not, maybe just move on
 
Several times in this thread you have taken members answers and put it back into that AI program then reposted the results as if to say those answers were somehow not complete or were lacking. That to me seems counter productive especially on a vintage motorcycle forum.

What you did is just as bad as having a face to face discussion with someone then checking what that person said to you on your phone in front of them.

Your correct that I don't have to contribute to your thread.
1978 KZ650B2 w 1197cc Z1 engine
1977 KZ650B1 w 750cc Spectre engine
1979 KZ650C3 w 831cc Hot Rod engine
1978 KZ650C2 w 762cc DFI project
1977 KZ650C1 stock restoration project
1978 KZ650B2 modified project
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