New rider, First bike, 1979 kz650

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07 Jun 2016 09:32 #730425 by Odaz
New rider, First bike, 1979 kz650 was created by Odaz
A few weeks ago I bought my first bike. It's a 1979 kz650, I actually used alot of information in this forum when deciding if it should buy it. I look forward to learning even more now that i have it.
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07 Jun 2016 09:38 - 07 Jun 2016 09:40 #730429 by Nessism
Replied by Nessism on topic New rider, First bike, 1979 kz650
Nice! Welcome to the sanatorium!

Not that you asked...but first thing I'd do is get yourself a copy of the factory Kawasaki service manual for your bike and find the maintenance chart, then start down the list. Things like valve adjustment is often neglected on these old bikes which is unfortunate, because failure to keep up with this critical maintenance task can result in a damaged engine. Another critical thing is maintaining the brake system. If there are no chunkies in the brake fluid than a simple flushing of the fluid with new will fix you up, but if there is coagulation of the fluid then you need to tear down the system and clean everything properly.

No worry about stuff like this, just deal with it. A 37 year old motorcycle is like a wooden boat: always something to do. Embrace it and enjoy!
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07 Jun 2016 09:52 #730430 by 650ed
Replied by 650ed on topic New rider, First bike, 1979 kz650
Welcome aboard! KZ650's are great bikes. Here are some tips that you may find helpful:

Many newbies and not so newbies run into or issues with their bikes which could be easily avoided with a little preparation or information. Here are a couple recommendations that I hope you will find useful.

Before riding your KZ you should take a little time to become familiar with it. Simple things like checking the oil, tire pressures, etc. are explained in the Kawasaki Owner's Manual. If you bike didn't come with one (they normally are in a little holder on the bottom of the seat) you can usually find one on eBay - be sure to get one for your exact year/model.


MANUAL

You really should consider buying the Kawasaki Factory Service Manual for your bike. The factory service manual provides instructions on the various maintenance procedures and schedules for your bike, procedures for diagnosing problems, proper torque values for the various fasteners (VERY IMPORTANT), and insight into how each system on your bike works even if you are not repairing that system. Studying the manual before you attempt performing service on your bike will impart an understanding of the system you are working on which will increase the odds of success.

The manuals usually are readily available for most models on eBay and other sources; but be sure to get one that has your specific year and model in it as there are differences between the various KZ650 models. I do not recommend Clymers, Haynes, or other aftermarket manuals as I have seen instances where they provide inaccurate advice. You may decide to use those to supplement the factory manual, but in my opinion they are not a suitable substitute. If you have trouble finding one for your model ask us to help.


TOOLS

WARNING! Do not even try to use Phillips screwdrivers on the Kawasaki cross head screws. Despite their appearance they are not Phillips screws. They are Japanese Industrial Standard (JIS) screws. The tips of Phillips screwdrivers are too long & pointed to allow the 4 blades of the screwdriver to properly engage the screws, so when you apply force the screw head slots will deform and look like crap. The fact is that Phillips screws were deliberately designed to have the screwdriver bit "cam out." This was done to prevent production line assembly from over-tightening, stripping, or breaking the screws. JIS screws do not have this problem. A proper fitting JIS bit can tighten a JIS screw to and beyond the torque spec without camming out. Here's the good news - you can easily modify standard Phillips screwdriver tips to fit the JIS screws.

I have ground down the tips of DeWalt #2 and DeWalt #3 Phillips to make them fit JIS screws. The large crosshead screws on the cases take modified #3 bits (or genuine #3 JIS bits). To modify the DeWalt bits you need to grind the very tip a little, then test fit, then grind a little more and test fit, etc. until the bit no longer "rocks" back and forth in the screwhead. Picture 1 below shows how a DeWalt #3 bit fits the case screws of my KZ650 after being ground properly. The #2 DeWalt bits can be modified the same way to fit smaller JIS screws. Pictures 2 and 3 below shows DeWalt #2 and #3 modified bits.

I did find a place that sells authentic JIS bits. They don't list the #3 bit, but if you contact them they can provide the #3 JIS bits even though they are not listed on the website. These folks were very easy to work with, and the authentic bits do work great. Here's their site:

www.rjrcooltools.com/shop_item_detail.cfm?subcat_ID=89

Pictures 4 & 5 below show a comparison between my home made modified bits with the authentic JIS bits.

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Before reaching for that wrench or ratchet consider the following. The bolts are steel, but your engine and front forks are aluminum. The bolts are much tougher than the aluminum and if over tightened will strip the aluminum threads. Although these can be repaired, preventing damage by applying proper torque will save you grief, time, and money. Tightening fasteners properly requires torque wrenches. Various vendors, including Snap-on, CDI, Sears, etc., market torque wrenches. The two most popular types are the bar type and micrometer type. Either will work, but the micrometer type is a bit easier to use, especially if you are tightening several fasteners with the same torque - such as cylinder head covers. You will need a torque wrench calibrated in INCH POUNDS for many of the bolts. You will also need a torque wrench calibrated in FOOT POUNDS for the larger bolts. Don't try to use the foot pounds wrench on the smaller bolts as it will not be sensitive enough at low torque settings to provide accurate torque. There are many fasteners that require low torque. These include such things as 6mm oil pan bolts, cylinder head cover bolts, etc. for which the torque in 61-78 inch pounds. These low torque bolts require a wrench that is accurate at low settings and this wrench should be graduated in inch pounds. In addition, there are numerous high torque fasteners such as the front axle nuts (51 - 65 foot pounds) or swing arm pivot shaft nuts (58 - 87 foot pounds). These require a wrench that is accurate at higher settings; this wrench should be graduated in foot pounds. Using the proper torque wrenches to correctly tighten fasteners will help prevent damage and contribute to a safe bike. The Kawasaki Service Manual will list the various torque specs for the bolts. I suggest you get the manual before buying the torque wrenches so you can decide which wrenches best meet the torque specs.

Consider buying a can of Kroil penetrating oil and use it to soak stubborn fasteners for a couple days before trying to loosen them. Remember, the original screws and bolts were installed on your bike when Jimmy Carter was President, so many of them may be hard to remove. Kroil can be bought online, at guns shows, and at some other venues.


MOTOR OIL
The ingredients in oils have changed over the years. For example, today's Castrol GTX oil (and pretty much all other AUTOMOBILE oil) is not the same as it was in the 1980's. Back then it worked great in KZ bikes. But, things have changed. Early AUTOMOBILE oils contained zinc phosphorus compounds (ZDDP) to protect engine components from metal to metal contact. This was good for engines, but it was found to be destructive to catalytic converters. Consequently, in AUTOMOBILE oils ZDDP was virtually eliminated and replaced with different chemistry generically referred to as "Friction Modifiers." These work fine and offer good protection for normal AUTOMOBILE engines. However, today's AUTOMOBILE oil "Friction Modifiers" are destructive to wet clutches. KZ bikes (and many other brands) have wet clutches. As a result of these oil chemistry changes a distinction needed to be made between those oils which are suitable for wet clutches and those which are not. That distinction was documented by the Japanese Engine Oil Standards Implementation Panel (JASO). JASO developed a number of different oil specifications for different applications. The specifications that apply to 4 stroke motorcycles fall under the "4T Specifications." Within the 4T specifications the JASO MA class oils are specifically formulated for 4 stroke motorcycles with wet clutches.

There are synthetic, semi-synthetic, and non-synthetic oils that meet the JASO-MA standard and any of them will work ok. However, using oils that are not designated as meeting the JASO-MA standard is destructive to KZ clutches.

Good luck with your bike. Ed

1977 KZ650-C1 Original Owner - Stock (with additional invisible FIAMM horn)

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07 Jun 2016 11:02 #730437 by Odaz
Replied by Odaz on topic New rider, First bike, 1979 kz650
Thank you both for the great info. It did come with the original owners manual. I'm definitely looking into a factory service manual and going to look into the bits as well.

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07 Jun 2016 12:10 #730444 by SWest
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Don't forget your little helper for those stubborn screws and bolts. Get the 3/8 one so you can use sockets too.
Steve

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07 Jun 2016 18:10 #730473 by GPzMOD750
Replied by GPzMOD750 on topic New rider, First bike, 1979 kz650
Welcome. That is one stunning looking bike. It's just different enough to catch your attention. I'd keep it as is if it were me except maybe un black out the Kawi badges.

What are your plans for it?

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07 Jun 2016 20:16 #730494 by Odaz
Replied by Odaz on topic New rider, First bike, 1979 kz650
Funny you mention the badges. That was the first thing my wife noticed and said she'll paint them red to match. No major plans yet, the grips are a little worn and could use replacing. Other than that i'm going to ride it for a bit and see if there is anything i would like to change.

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07 Jun 2016 20:34 - 07 Jun 2016 20:35 #730498 by SWest
Replied by SWest on topic New rider, First bike, 1979 kz650
I ordered a KZ 1000 badge from Z1E. They sent me a gold one. :angry: It cost more. :angry: :angry: I used #600 paper and took the gold off leaving the silver underneath. B) Yours may be gold like the badges on the side covers. :unsure:
Steve
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