KZ650. Carb #3 spitting fuel out. Wont start

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17 Aug 2022 09:16 #872386 by BlackEyeCafe

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Hello KZ communityI have been having trouble starting my 1977 KZ650.

After tearing the carb down and re-leveling the floats it still won't start.

Today I noticed when trying to start that the 3rd carb from the left was spitting fuel. Can anyone help guide me to a resolution?

Thanks in advance.

Btw i searched the forum first and the first 10 results did not provide a solution

1977 KZ650 C
Jets - Main 115 - Pilot 17.5 - Needles - Position 3 - NGK BR7ES

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Denco where did you go?

17 Aug 2022 09:32 #872388 by gd4now

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Just where is the fuel spitting from? The overflow port/tubes or out the intake bell of the carb?

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17 Aug 2022 09:34 - 17 Aug 2022 10:08 #872389 by BlackEyeCafe

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It's coming out the intake and into the air filter pods

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1977 KZ650 C
Jets - Main 115 - Pilot 17.5 - Needles - Position 3 - NGK BR7ES

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17 Aug 2022 10:18 #872390 by F64

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pull the plugs.
are your plugs fouled?

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17 Aug 2022 10:38 - 17 Aug 2022 10:46 #872391 by BlackEyeCafe

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The 3rd was soaked in fuel and all had a little soot built up

1977 KZ650 C
Jets - Main 115 - Pilot 17.5 - Needles - Position 3 - NGK BR7ES

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17 Aug 2022 10:52 #872392 by Mikaw

Replied by Mikaw on topic KZ650. Carb #3 spitting fuel out. Wont start

You can save that plug so you can test, use a propane torch and heat the ceramic and earth strap. It will take some time but eventually the ceramic will start to lighten, continue to heat till the whitest color is achieved.

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17 Aug 2022 11:05 #872393 by Mikaw

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Are all the vacuum nipples installed on the carb holders. If it’s not flowing out of the overflow tube then it not likely to be float level, unless the overflow tube plugged.

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17 Aug 2022 11:07 #872394 by Scirocco

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It could be stuck open float needle valve. Try knocking on bowl to free the valve.

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17 Aug 2022 12:43 #872396 by BlackEyeCafe

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Thanks everyone. I’m going to try all those things. I will let you know what happens

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Jets - Main 115 - Pilot 17.5 - Needles - Position 3 - NGK BR7ES

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17 Aug 2022 13:52 #872398 by zed1015

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How's the valve clearances ?
If 3 is too tight it may not be seating and blowing back.

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17 Aug 2022 14:08 #872400 by BlackEyeCafe

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So I tried everything except torching the plugs because I checked for spark and all 4 plugs were working well.

Could this be a timing issue or air screw issue? I did the valves and did not touch the Dyna ignition after that, would I be better to re-adjust the timing?

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Jets - Main 115 - Pilot 17.5 - Needles - Position 3 - NGK BR7ES

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17 Aug 2022 14:14 #872401 by BlackEyeCafe

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That is my main concern. I just went back over the math and I may have “mis-mathed” on # 3. Thankfully I kept notes and it will just mean ordering a new shim and the excitement of tearing apart the top end again…..

1977 KZ650 C
Jets - Main 115 - Pilot 17.5 - Needles - Position 3 - NGK BR7ES

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