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08 Sep 2021 20:22 #855028
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78 KZ650B2A - resto in progress
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Other bikes: 1978 BMW R100/7, 1978 Moto Guzzi T3, 2016 DRZ400s
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Little more assembly tonight. Each bolt had to be thread-chased because after plating they get some more "meat" on threads.
Oiled for proper torque. Bottom assembled and engine flipped upside! Almost done (bottom end)
Oiled for proper torque. Bottom assembled and engine flipped upside! Almost done (bottom end)
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08 Sep 2021 20:39 - 08 Sep 2021 20:41 #855029
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1977 KZ650-C1 Original Owner - Stock (with additional invisible FIAMM horn)
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I don't understand your statement "oiled for proper torque." The Kawasaki Service Manual says the torque values are for "dry solvent-cleaned threads"; that would be different than oiled threads wouldn't it? Ed
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08 Sep 2021 21:05 #855030
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78 KZ650B2A - resto in progress
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I guess you are right. I only did it for oil pan bolts. All others were dry torqued but for some reason I decided to do it with those. No big deal. Even if I over torqued a little not going to hurt in this spot. For future will keep it in mind. I didn’t read this in FSM. Thank you!I don't understand your statement "oiled for proper torque." The Kawasaki Service Manual says the torque values are for "dry solvent-cleaned threads"; that would be different than oiled threads wouldn't it? Ed
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17 Sep 2021 08:27 - 17 Sep 2021 08:27 #855403
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78 KZ650B2A - resto in progress
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Some more progress. Engine is pretty much assembled except for head, but head needs some work.
Rebuilt clutch activator using NOS parts. Originals had some where which would cause stickyness.
Rebuilt clutch activator using NOS parts. Originals had some where which would cause stickyness.
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19 Sep 2021 17:32 #855492
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78 KZ650B2A - resto in progress
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Cylinders on. Used @gazzz trick with plastic strips and zip ties to hold rings. Just used 14ga romex wire (with insulation) to make u-shaped piston holders. Quick and worked like a charm.
Now to the head. This is head I got from eBay, everything checks out, but I am going to replace valve guides and valves. Since I have them and those that came with a head had some wear.
Positioned head on "angled" fixture and made sure all guides perpendicular. Now it will be really easy to press in/out. Especially after getting head hot in a oven.
Now to the head. This is head I got from eBay, everything checks out, but I am going to replace valve guides and valves. Since I have them and those that came with a head had some wear.
Positioned head on "angled" fixture and made sure all guides perpendicular. Now it will be really easy to press in/out. Especially after getting head hot in a oven.
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19 Sep 2021 17:36 #855493
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78 KZ650B2A - resto in progress
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Made plugs for emissions bypass holes. Holes measured ~9mm. So I just went straight with M10 1.25 tap. Found two bolts, 5 minutes with angle grinder and 5 minutes on a lathe and my plugs ready.
Any suggestion on what to use to seal it? Same tree bond as for engine? Put on threads?
Any suggestion on what to use to seal it? Same tree bond as for engine? Put on threads?
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19 Sep 2021 17:51 #855494
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Great job on your project! And thanks for all the great photos.
Just a reminder, in case you didn't realize, but the valve seats will need to be cut after installing new valve guides..
Good luck
Just a reminder, in case you didn't realize, but the valve seats will need to be cut after installing new valve guides..
Good luck
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19 Sep 2021 17:57 - 19 Sep 2021 17:58 #855495
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I really hope it will work out without shortening valves.
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Thanks! And yes, absolutely. I got all the neway cutters waiting. Right now (uninstalled) guides feel just right with new valves. I didn't measure but they fit, so.. Can't imagine them being "tight". It's APE performance bronze guides. Don't plan on rimming those unless there going to be stickyness.Just a reminder, in case you didn't realize, but the valve seats will need to be cut after installing new valve guides..
I really hope it will work out without shortening valves.
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19 Sep 2021 19:13 #855501
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'87 Suzuki Savage 650 Street Tracker (lost in the shop fire)
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I needed my new valves ground shorter. Found a car engine builder with a valve grinder machine and he charged $10 each (including removal and reinstallation).
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20 Sep 2021 08:50 #855524
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78 KZ650B2A - resto in progress
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I think if it's going to be needed I will just specify exact measurement by how much to shorten and bring actual valves to the shopI needed my new valves ground shorter. Found a car engine builder with a valve grinder machine and he charged $10 each (including removal and reinstallation).
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22 Sep 2021 18:37 - 22 Sep 2021 18:49 #855639
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78 KZ650B2A - resto in progress
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Cleaned head via soda blasting. Then pressure washed with water. Then air blow every hole. Then pressure washed again. Will do more cleaning later when done with valves.
Conveniently enough I had this angled mount, not sure what it called. Guy who sold me lathe/mill gave it as a part of a deal 5 years ago? Never knew why I need it and now it's perfect! Dialed it to make valve holes vertical when head lays on it.
Heated head to about 350F in oven.
Pressed out old valve guides. Which is easy, you just remove them.
Now installing new ones? Hmm. I really scared of over-pressing. So, what I did - I machined sleeve for my pressing shaft. This way this sleeve will stop on a head body making it precise and positive stop when new stems will be pressed in.
On a side note - those valve guides needed. Old ones even with new valves I can feel some play even by hand, so it's good idea. OTOH - camshaft clearances good. So, if I don't f-up something, it will be a good head.
P.S. Hmmm reading about dry ice.. Word is, if I heat up head and get guides cold with dry ice - they should simply drop into their hole. True? If so, I'd rather get some dry ice than trying to press them in.
Conveniently enough I had this angled mount, not sure what it called. Guy who sold me lathe/mill gave it as a part of a deal 5 years ago? Never knew why I need it and now it's perfect! Dialed it to make valve holes vertical when head lays on it.
Heated head to about 350F in oven.
Pressed out old valve guides. Which is easy, you just remove them.
Now installing new ones? Hmm. I really scared of over-pressing. So, what I did - I machined sleeve for my pressing shaft. This way this sleeve will stop on a head body making it precise and positive stop when new stems will be pressed in.
On a side note - those valve guides needed. Old ones even with new valves I can feel some play even by hand, so it's good idea. OTOH - camshaft clearances good. So, if I don't f-up something, it will be a good head.
P.S. Hmmm reading about dry ice.. Word is, if I heat up head and get guides cold with dry ice - they should simply drop into their hole. True? If so, I'd rather get some dry ice than trying to press them in.
78 KZ650B2A - resto in progress
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Other bikes: 1978 BMW R100/7, 1978 Moto Guzzi T3, 2016 DRZ400s
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22 Sep 2021 18:57 #855641
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The device you are referring to is a sine plate. Very handy!
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'87 Suzuki Savage 650 Street Tracker (lost in the shop fire)
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