Stock Air Box VS Pod Filters

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Stock Air Box VS Pod Filters

15 Dec 2020 10:07

So you've removed the carbs for a proper cleaning and now you're having problems getting the boots between the carbs and the air box back on. Pod air filters seem to be a much easier option. What kind of problems must be addressed to make Pod air filters work correctly?
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Re: Stock Air Box VS Pod Filters

15 Dec 2020 10:10

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The stock air box serves to equalize the air flow between the individual carbs. Individual pod filters can experience different air flows caused by wetting from rain and exposure to side winds.

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Re: Stock Air Box VS Pod Filters

15 Dec 2020 17:06 - 15 Dec 2020 17:11

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I have a stock air box and have used the same K&N washable air filter for about 70,000 miles, I clean it probably 3 times a season at the same time I clean and check the points, usually when I feel the bike is lagging a bit,
I will also add some Heet gas additive with a fill up just in case it's due to water in the fuel.
That usually takes care of it.
I've always thought that the stock box was very reliable and smooth in all types of weather conditions.
Plus I'm no tuning guru

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Re: Stock Air Box VS Pod Filters

15 Dec 2020 17:32

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The ethanol in your gas (if you fill up at a normal gas pump) may serve the same purpose as HEET.
HEET's active ingredient is methanol.

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16 Dec 2020 14:27

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The airbox and stacks provides a stable smooth laminar flow to and through the carbs, the rubbers that go into the airbox from the carbs are part of this. CV's can be a nightmare to set up with pods, usually requiring a jet kit and a lot of screwing around to get close to right, If some sort of velocity stack is used it is easier. The VM's are a bit easier to set up but again, stacks of some sort make it much easier. If I were you I'd just buy new stacks/rubbers between the carbs and airbox, or just soak your stiff ones in wintergreen oil to soften them up, adding some acetone to the wintergreen oil helps as well, as the stacks/rubbers harden due to out gassing, the acetone restores a bit of that..

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Re: Stock Air Box VS Pod Filters

22 Dec 2020 15:52 - 22 Dec 2020 15:53

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I'm thinking that this will cover the topic of "Pods and why you shouldn't"

So you've removed the carbs for a proper cleaning and now you're having problems getting the boots between the carbs and the air box back on. You’re thinking If I just get some pod filters I wouldn’t have to be messing around trying to get these rubber boots over the carbs and into the air box, and that would be correct, except that you’re now on your own as far as tuning and airflow go.
The stock box provides a reliable and smooth airflow in all types of weather conditions, not so with pod filters which can experience different air flows caused by wetting from rain and exposure to side winds.
The airbox and stacks provide a stable smooth laminar flow to and through the carbs, the rubbers (boots) that go into the airbox from the carbs are part of this. CV's can be a nightmare to set up with pods, usually requiring a jet kit and a lot of screwing around to get close to right, If some sort of velocity stack is used it is easier. The VM's are a bit easier to set up but again, stacks of some sort make it much easier.
Folks here at KZR know that it’s better to just buy new stacks (rubber boots between the carbs) and airbox, or just soak your stiff ones in wintergreen oil to soften them up, adding some acetone to the wintergreen oil helps as well, as the stacks/rubbers harden due to out gassing, the acetone restores a bit of that.

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Re: Stock Air Box VS Pod Filters

23 Dec 2020 00:49 - 23 Dec 2020 00:52

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Funnily enough I am going to use A pod type set up on my 750R1 with BS34 CV's, the big difference is that the "pods I'm using have a triple velocity stack set up, most pods don't use velocity stacks. I will be using a stage 3 jet kit with these. I'm real lucky to have a friend who's extremely good at carb setups from his over 50 years of racing, in saying that, I'm still thinking about the possibility of adding side screens to stop sidewinds, If I have any trouble, By all reports I won't , just thinking ahead. Here's a look at the filters I have, If anyone is interested....

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Re: Stock Air Box VS Pod Filters

29 Dec 2020 23:54 - 29 Dec 2020 23:59

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If installing pods:
1. Quality pods?
2. Install air corrected jets?

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Re: Stock Air Box VS Pod Filters

03 Jun 2021 13:16

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on a 82 GPZ550 installing the carb rack onto the boots between cylinder and carbs and boots between the carb and air box are a pain if you live in a cold weather area, so the trick is to heat them up with a hair drier, but don't go crazy on it
right now it's over 90 degrees here, I assembled it all and it was a breeze, well, compared to in the fall or early spring when it is cold,
so if you warm the boots up a bit, so they are pliable, it all goes together much easier

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Re: Stock Air Box VS Pod Filters

03 Jul 2021 19:56

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Funnily enough I am going to use A pod type set up on my 750R1 with BS34 CV's, the big difference is that the "pods I'm using have a triple velocity stack set up, most pods don't use velocity stacks. I will be using a stage 3 jet kit with these. I'm real lucky to have a friend who's extremely good at carb setups from his over 50 years of racing, in saying that, I'm still thinking about the possibility of adding side screens to stop sidewinds, If I have any trouble, By all reports I won't , just thinking ahead. Here's a look at the filters I have, If anyone is interested....

Cool design. Is there any info out there on how these perform compared to your basic K&N/APE gauze pod filters? I finally found that these are designed and manufactured by Messner Moto after searching for them online, still no contact info or where they're located.
I have just started running a set of RPM dual pod foam(UNI??) filters on a ZRX that seem to perform a bit different than the gauze type pod filters. So far I like the performance and response compared to the APE filters on another ZRX with comparable tuning, will know more after more seat time.

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Re: Stock Air Box VS Pod Filters

03 Jul 2021 22:02

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Mirko Messner is the guy who makes, or has them made, you can contact him through his site, I have spoken to him a number of times, he;s also a member of the SOHC forum and has made some real nice parts for 750 Honda's, drop him a line here.... messnermoto.com/contact-us/

I haven't used mine yet, won't be long though an i expect them to work well based on their design, Mirko has been running these on his Honda for a couple of years now..