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What paint holds up best to gasoline/ethanol ?
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25 Mar 2014 18:56 - 26 Mar 2014 15:12 #626596
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1981 KZ550 D1 gpz.
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Last year I had a tank painted with water-based Dupont, and the body shop owner said the paint holds up to gas and could be used immediately. However, I tested a spot on the bottom side of the tank and a little gas removed the paint just like paint-stripper. The fumes already removed the paint from around the filler, but the gas cap still hides that area. I haven't spilled any on top yet, but I figure it's a matter of time.
Even the old lacquer paint wasn't that weak against gasoline.
Is there any magic paint that doesn't get removed by gasoline/ethanol?
Even the old lacquer paint wasn't that weak against gasoline.
Is there any magic paint that doesn't get removed by gasoline/ethanol?
1981 KZ550 D1 gpz.
Kz550 valve train warning.
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Last edit: 26 Mar 2014 15:12 by loudhvx.
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25 Mar 2014 19:15 - 25 Mar 2014 19:16 #626602
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Replied by DoctoRot on topic What holds up best to gasoline/ethanol ?
KG coatings - Gun Koat, impervious to any solvent, even brake fluid. Most paint that isn't heat cured takes a while to cure. some take months to fully cure. I have used a product called "lip seal" to seal the seam where paint meets bare metal at the filler. I believe is is a isophthalic epoxy, which is what the caswell tank liner is as well.
www.innate.com/Supplies/Lipseal/lipseal.htm
www.innate.com/Supplies/Lipseal/lipseal.htm
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26 Mar 2014 06:18 - 08 May 2014 13:42 #626633
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Replied by martin_csr on topic What holds up best to gasoline/ethanol ?
There are 2k clears which should be impervious to gasoline, as they are urethanes in a can. The paint comes in a special spray can w two chambers having an activator button on the bottom: after activation, the 2 parts mix & you have ~24 hrs to use it. I believe it can be sprayed over any cured paint but don't quote me on that. You'd probably need 2-3 cans for a motorcycle (?). I've never used it, but I believe a couple of KZRiders have.
SprayMax 2K clear coat - ~$25 per 13.5 oz can
Eastwood carries the SprayMax & lists the size as 11.8 oz (?).
The SprayMax site says it's 400 ml (13.5 oz).
AlsaCorp Killer Cans Speed Clear - ~$40 per 13.5 oz can
Supposedly available at Advanced Auto Parts
SprayMax 2K clear coat - ~$25 per 13.5 oz can
Eastwood carries the SprayMax & lists the size as 11.8 oz (?).
The SprayMax site says it's 400 ml (13.5 oz).
AlsaCorp Killer Cans Speed Clear - ~$40 per 13.5 oz can
Supposedly available at Advanced Auto Parts
Last edit: 08 May 2014 13:42 by martin_csr.
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26 Mar 2014 15:19 #626678
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1981 KZ550 D1 gpz.
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Replied by loudhvx on topic What holds up best to gasoline/ethanol ?
ok, thanks guys.
I hope this thrad stays searchable for when I get the next tank painted.
I hope this thrad stays searchable for when I get the next tank painted.
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29 Mar 2014 18:27 #627035
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Spilled some gas on my recently refinished 2K cleared 85 GS750EF's tank,did absolutely nothing to it.
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29 Mar 2014 22:22 #627059
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Replied by NakedFun on topic What paint holds up best to gasoline/ethanol ?
Martin nailed it, it has to be a catalzyed paint/clear in order to be solvent/gasoline resistant. Oxidizing type paints that simply react with the surround air to set (like most spray paints) can be removed with gasoline and other solvents as it is the solvent that the pigment is suspended in to lay it out. It cures when the solvents evaporate off, leaving the pigment.
Lay a catalyzing clear like the 2K stuff and you will be good.
FWIW,
Cory
Lay a catalyzing clear like the 2K stuff and you will be good.
FWIW,
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30 Mar 2014 14:26 #627121
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My wife asked me if I still loved her - I said "Honey, I love you more than new carburetor boots ! "
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Replied by GPzEric on topic What paint holds up best to gasoline/ethanol ?
These guys are right - car paint, covered by Spraymax 2k is tough. And when you go to the paint store, just tell them that it's going to be clear-coated, and they'll put your color into a base coat that is made to go with the top coat.
My wife asked me if I still loved her - I said "Honey, I love you more than new carburetor boots ! "
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06 May 2014 14:10 #631553
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What about matte finish paint? I'm having this issue with a matte paint, the gasoline ate right threw to the metal.
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06 May 2014 20:38 #631609
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321,000 miles on KZ's that I can remember. Not going to see any more.
Replied by RonKZ650 on topic What paint holds up best to gasoline/ethanol ?
Original factory paint holds up, all others? Well it's not really a ?, it's more a how bad it is, some are bad, some badder, some badass terrible.
Good thing about matte paint is it looks bad from day one, so day 2 though 20,000 what gas hits it really is of little consequence.
Good thing about matte paint is it looks bad from day one, so day 2 though 20,000 what gas hits it really is of little consequence.
321,000 miles on KZ's that I can remember. Not going to see any more.
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06 May 2014 21:59 #631622
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Replied by loudhvx on topic What paint holds up best to gasoline/ethanol ?
The factory painted tank I have also has a visible mark from a gas spill. I don't think it's the gasoline as much as it is the alcohol.
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08 May 2014 12:27 #631828
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Replied by Dbuttsvfs on topic What paint holds up best to gasoline/ethanol ?
As said above, i used the spray max 2k paint bought from ebay and have spilled 91 octane on it many times with no effect.
be careful when painting though the hardener in it is no joke!
1 can cave me about 4 clear coats (i rushed it a little due to the fact that the can is only good for so long)
looks professional!
good luck !
be careful when painting though the hardener in it is no joke!
1 can cave me about 4 clear coats (i rushed it a little due to the fact that the can is only good for so long)
looks professional!
good luck !
1982 kz550-c3
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08 May 2014 17:00 - 08 May 2014 18:54 #631857
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Replied by 4TheKZ1000 on topic What paint holds up best to gasoline/ethanol ?
May I ask a question somewhat on subject.
I painted my cases, cylinder and head with Dupli-color high temp engine enamel.
It still looks fantastic on the cases but after about 15 months, the cylinder and head lost its sheen or gloss and seemed chalky and tired.
I want to repaint the head to resemble the other components, requiring another Dupli-color coating.
I wondered if applying a clear coat to the base coat would help to retain the sheen or gloss over time?
Dupli-color has a clear in the high heat paint line that is recommended for the base paint.
What is the thoughts of the forum with this method or others.
Thanks
I painted my cases, cylinder and head with Dupli-color high temp engine enamel.
It still looks fantastic on the cases but after about 15 months, the cylinder and head lost its sheen or gloss and seemed chalky and tired.
I want to repaint the head to resemble the other components, requiring another Dupli-color coating.
I wondered if applying a clear coat to the base coat would help to retain the sheen or gloss over time?
Dupli-color has a clear in the high heat paint line that is recommended for the base paint.
What is the thoughts of the forum with this method or others.
Thanks
Last edit: 08 May 2014 18:54 by 4TheKZ1000.
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