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27 Feb 2010 08:26 - 27 Feb 2010 08:32 #350384 by otakar
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The coating inside my tanks is clear and you cant even see it. The guy that did mine (which is a radiator shop) performs this for antique cars. The problem without coating it when you use an acid to clean it is that it will always rust again if any moisture gets into the tank. If this was 30 years ago than I would not have a problem not coating the tank but today ALL fuel has a minimum of 10% Ethanol in it Ethanol is quite corrosive and not to mention Hygroscopic. If you ran todays fuels in bikes of our vintage you would have void the warranty. When I Bought my Z1R in 78, any fuel that had 10% Ethanol in it was called "Gasohol" and would void the warranty. I was specifically warned not to run it for that fact.

74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000
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27 Feb 2010 08:30 #350385 by chance
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Never seen that ..Sounds like a good product.. Your tank looks nice ..I love painting bikes

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27 Feb 2010 08:37 #350386 by otakar
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I painted this one about three years ago. It is my every day rider. Built from a 81CSR frame and is now a 1150. Here is the link to the thread.
kzrider.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&...w&catid=11&id=169462

74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000
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27 Feb 2010 09:15 #350391 by chance
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You do great work Bro.I'm a bodyman / Painter by trade. It's a breath of fresh air to see someone do a paint job RIGHT. I also use metal to metal , Epoxy primer and ureathane primer and paint and clears. I see so many BS painting going on and when I try to set folks streight on what to use but all I get is BS .Sure most folks can get a nice looking job But how long will it last thats the thing.
I'm a firm beliver in GOOD Paint and supplies. But I give folks what they pay for if they want cheap I'll give em cheap.It cost me 250.00 in materials to do a nice job. I charge 500.00 to do one and they still Cry if they only knew HuH .. Keep up the GOOD work Bro.B)

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27 Feb 2010 09:30 #350393 by otakar
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My philosophy is that "If you do it, than do it right or don't bother doing it at all". I don't even bother useing the hi-speed "production" clears, I use PPG Concept DCU2002. The stuff costs a small fortune but it is one of the best.

74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000

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27 Feb 2010 17:31 #350441 by chance
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Dig.. I used ppg for years lately I use R&M Diamont. Works Great

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28 Feb 2010 06:58 #350528 by otakar
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Most people do not realize how much work goes into stripping prepping and the actual job of painting. They think that you put the paint in the gun spray everything and that is all. What happens next, is that they try to do it themselves (They do it in in just the way described) and thy get the results they deserve. Than it costs them an extra $100 because of all the extra paint that they gooped on or because they try to strip it themselves also and you have more work that way. As they say "you get what you pay for".

74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000

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28 Feb 2010 07:44 #350534 by chance
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You're so Right.

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28 Feb 2010 07:59 #350537 by Old Man Rock
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Now I realize restoring/fabbing/engine re-build/electrical/painting is not for everyone so not crapping on those who don't... No flame war here...

True...true but where's the true joy in doing it yourself?

Meaning, what, pay someone to re-build your bike complete...

Well hell, what fun would that be.. Should we all just go buy a KZ from Redline cycle already restored... Other than riding it, Naw, no self satisfaction in that...

Sure, something just can't accomplish ourselves such as cylinder bore. Then there's ideal & desired head work... For those who rebuild & P&P themselves, hats off to ya... B) Without proper machining tools & experience just no way to accomplish and way too much to go expensively wrong...

Ah well, to each there own I guess...

That GP is just freaking gorgeous no matter who did the work... B)

OMR

1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter

Phoenix, Az

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28 Feb 2010 08:12 - 28 Feb 2010 08:12 #350541 by chance
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What does this mean we were talking about painting .
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28 Feb 2010 08:24 #350546 by Old Man Rock
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Well in following the post, it went from many subjects including tank rust cleaning/liner to painting yourself or having done professionally...

My reply was in the regards to the change in subject regarding doing yourself vs having it accomplished professionally...

No biggy was just trying to avoid any flame war or anything as such...

1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter

Phoenix, Az

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28 Feb 2010 09:35 - 28 Feb 2010 09:41 #350560 by otakar
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Old Man Rock wrote:

Now I realize restoring/fabbing/engine re-build/electrical/painting is not for everyone so not crapping on those who don't... No flame war here...

True...true but where's the true joy in doing it yourself?

Meaning, what, pay someone to re-build your bike complete...

Well hell, what fun would that be.. Should we all just go buy a KZ from Redline cycle already restored... Other than riding it, Naw, no self satisfaction in that...

Sure, something just can't accomplish ourselves such as cylinder bore. Then there's ideal & desired head work... For those who rebuild & P&P themselves, hats off to ya... B) Without proper machining tools & experience just no way to accomplish and way too much to go expensively wrong...

Ah well, to each there own I guess...

That GP is just freaking gorgeous no matter who did the work... B)

OMR


With all I have experienced I would have to say this. For all that matters, Painting the outside is only cosmetic and matters very little in the scheme of things but the inside of the tank can be a problem and I would trust that to a pro. For something that is that important and costs so little to have done, it only makes sense. There are many guys on this web sight that have done beautiful paint jobs with a rattle can. There the only issue is durability. The best example I would equate this to is porting. Anyone here can do basic porting that will produce much better than stock results, but fore some reason they all ship it out to have it done for a lot of money just because they want to squeeze the last fraction of a pony out of their engine. Why, since they will never be able to tell the difference between 97Hp or 101Hp since they will never be able to use that horsepower for any practical reason. The exact same thing is with painting. It is only the temporary AWE factor. On the other-hand, when it comes to coating the inside of the tank; we are speaking of safety, reliability, engine life and so on. OK that was more than two sense worth because it went just too deep, so call it my two bits worth. It still won't buy you a cup of Coffee today. :unsure: :laugh: Hay OMR I am not sure if you like me, so you are trying to watch my back (since I am very proficient at putting my foot in my mouth) or you hate my guts and just like to pick on me. :lol: :woohoo: :lol:

74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000
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