Spectre - Rear axle - Castle nut stuck

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01 Feb 2022 16:57 #861618 by McThing
Hi all,

The castle nut on my real axle will not come free. I’ve tried saturating it repeatedly in Wd40 for 24 hours, heat, and gentle but firm raps with a hammer. I am using a 24” break but it just turns the whole axle and anything I stick in the hole on the opposite end of the axle to brace it just bends like butter.

I have seen on YouTube where someone just cut into the nut and hit the gap with chisel to break it loose. Before I go that far I thought I’d check and see if anyone had a better idea.

All the best - B
 

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01 Feb 2022 17:30 #861620 by DOHC
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Does the opposite end of the axle have flats machined into the head?  That's true for the earlier models.  I use a big crescent wrench to hold the axle when torquing it.

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01 Feb 2022 17:31 #861621 by McThing
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Nope. No flats. Dang.

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01 Feb 2022 17:37 - 01 Feb 2022 17:39 #861622 by DOHC
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Yeah, I was looking around eBay and it looks perfectly round.  That was an odd choice for Kawasaki. 

I would probably just grab the head with a big pair of vise grips and then once I got it off replace it with an earlier or later model axle with a proper head.  Or grinds flat spots into that one for next time.  :)

I'm guessing it's like this?

 

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    01 Feb 2022 18:04 #861623 by Ojisan rider
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    How long have you been heating the nut? Sometime, you need to use it longer than usual. I know you need to worry about the oil and dust seal, but getting the nut off will be priority, I think. Tried MAP gas?

    It was on metal to metal, but I once had to heat up tie rod about 5 minutes before I could turn and get that thing off...............BTW, I used regular hand-held propane torch for that.  

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    02 Feb 2022 07:08 - 02 Feb 2022 07:18 #861647 by H1Vindicator
    Replied by H1Vindicator on topic Spectre - Rear axle - Castle nut stuck
    parts diagrams show both types of axles for the 750n Spectre. so maybe look into getting the axle w the hex head. as for the current problem, does the oem tool kit have a bar or screwdriver bit that fits the axle hole? my tool kit doesn't have anything, so I use a big hf screwdriver for the fr axle. rear axle has hex head.
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    02 Feb 2022 07:26 #861650 by Mikaw
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    Put a pipe wrench on the axle bolt head. 

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    02 Feb 2022 08:29 #861656 by gd4now
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    I would suggest something other than WD40.  But what do I know?

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    02 Feb 2022 08:52 #861658 by scubaanders
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    For penetrating oil, try first cleaning with Brake clean and the soak in a mix of ATF oil and Acetone 50/50. 
    add a couple of times per day then try again.

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    02 Feb 2022 09:04 - 02 Feb 2022 10:13 #861663 by H1Vindicator
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    nowadays, he may be using wd40 penetrant instead of reg wd40. could use kroil or liq wrench. lw is cheaper & available at a lot of places.
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    02 Feb 2022 10:29 #861669 by Scirocco
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    Try to file or grind the nut as flat/thin as possible next to the axle diameter. This will weaken the nut and remove the tention and binding on the threads.
    Heating up the flat/thin part will penetrade more heat and stretch to the nut/thread expanding. A good wack with a chisel should the nut turn loose or break the thin part open.

     
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    02 Feb 2022 10:30 #861670 by 650ed
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    Try Kroil.

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