Forwards and back play in rear wheel.

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22 Apr 2010 10:17 #362357 by Krusty_47
Forwards and back play in rear wheel. was created by Krusty_47
I have a KZ900 with Drum breaks on the rear. I have about 1/4 in play in the rear wheel before it stops moving or moves the chain. The rear sprocket does not move just the wheel itself.

I have yet to tear into it to take a look at it but I was going to ask if that could possibly be caused by bad Shock Dampers? If not that what could be causing this?

If I need to replace the rear wheel its not a problem just need to find one.
Any information you have would be greatly appreciated.

1976 KZ900 A4
1980 KZ1000 G1

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22 Apr 2010 10:39 #362363 by MFolks
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I'd pull the rear wheel out and check the bearings and rubber "Cush" drive.

www.goallballs.com sells replacement bearings.

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22 Apr 2010 10:55 #362369 by TeK9iNe
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Normal wear and tear...

What MFolks said.

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22 Apr 2010 11:22 #362380 by Krusty_47
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Alright I will do that at some point before I go ordering parts like crazy next Friday.

Thanks a lot.

1976 KZ900 A4
1980 KZ1000 G1

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22 Apr 2010 12:07 #362395 by otakar
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I would definitely fix the problem before you ride the bike. ANY movement in either of the wheels can KILL you. This is no laughing matter. Weather you have movement in the wheel bearings or the swing arm bearings, both situations are potentiality deadly.

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76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
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22 Apr 2010 12:22 #362398 by Krusty_47
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Well I guess I should be specific so people don't get the wrong impression.

The movement is in the rotation of the wheel. I know the wheel should not move at all when the chain is locked in place. Even with the chain locked in place I can move the wheel freely for about 1/4 in work of travel.
The wheel does not wobble side to side or move forward and back if you shake the wheel. All extra movement that shouldn't be there is all in the rotation of the wheel.

1976 KZ900 A4
1980 KZ1000 G1

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22 Apr 2010 12:57 #362408 by otakar
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WELL that makes a big difference. That movement is absolutely normal on older bikes. That is just ware in the rubber cushions that connect the drive hub to the rear wheel. If it annoys you there are two ways you can fix that. The correct way which is also the expensive way is to replace the cushion(s). Since you have a 900 they should be separate but are sold as a set. This will cost you about $50
www.z1enterprises.com/detail.aspx?ID=22

Or you can put rubber shims into the gaps, that you can cut from an old inner-tube.

74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
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82 KZ1000

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22 Apr 2010 12:57 #362409 by RonKZ650
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There is a rubber damper thing on the wheel that the sprocket mounts into. Play is no big deal, I don't see any need to worry at all.

321,000 miles on KZ's that I can remember. Not going to see any more.

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22 Apr 2010 13:18 #362417 by Krusty_47
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otakar wrote:

WELL that makes a big difference. That movement is absolutely normal on older bikes. That is just ware in the rubber cushions that connect the drive hub to the rear wheel. If it annoys you there are two ways you can fix that. The correct way which is also the expensive way is to replace the cushion(s). Since you have a 900 they should be separate but are sold as a set. This will cost you about $50
www.z1enterprises.com/detail.aspx?ID=22

Or you can put rubber shims into the gaps, that you can cut from an old inner-tube.


50 bucks is nothing compared to everything else I need to pick up to really get my bike running like a champ.

I will probably replace the bearings and maybe have someone do the spokes for me. But the spokes can wait till I need new tires.

1976 KZ900 A4
1980 KZ1000 G1

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22 Apr 2010 14:49 - 22 Apr 2010 14:49 #362434 by Patton
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Can hardly wait to hear later report if newly installed dampers allow same 1/4" wheel movement. :ohmy: :laugh: :laugh:

Good Fortune! :)

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22 Apr 2010 15:42 #362443 by Krusty_47
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Well how is that at all helpful Patton? :-D

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1980 KZ1000 G1

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22 Apr 2010 16:06 #362447 by 650ed
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Krusty_47 wrote:

Well how is that at all helpful Patton? :-D


I can't speak for Patton, but I also would like to know if replacing the cush or "shock damper" with a new one eliminates the play. This would be good info for all of us who have that 1/4" of play because if a new damper results in the same play perhaps we should not use shims/whatever to eliminate it. Personally, I'm betting there is still play with a new damper; the question is "how much?" Ed

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