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28 May 2009 13:30 - 28 May 2009 13:32 #294664 by Strizzzo
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Through a stupefying bit of retardedness on my or someone else's part, the axle to this rear mag I picked up off ebay has gone AWOL. Talk about crazy-making.....whole project ready to come back together only to find I can't mount the $@@##ng wheel.

Anyway, wondering if anyone can id this sucker to help with trying to locate a replacement. I'm guessing Morris, but there don't seem to be any identifying markings and I really don't know squat. Got it off ebay with no info aside from size...and admittedly banged up condition disclaimer.

Bike is a 78 KZ1000A2 & the wheels are the same size as my previous spokes (18" rear), but the axle diameter appears to be a bit smaller as the other axle won't fit through.

As always in my blind wandering quest - any and all help would be greatly appreciated. Maybe I'll get lucky & The Fish will hop on and know.....

78 Kz1075A2
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28 May 2009 13:31 #294665 by Strizzzo
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another shot

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28 May 2009 13:49 #294668 by Mark Wing
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It appears to be a first year 650 custom wheel.

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77 KZ650 C1 with ZX7 forks, GPZ mono rear, wider 18 police wheels and Yoshimura motor.

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28 May 2009 13:58 #294670 by Strizzzo
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Pardon my daftocity, but what was the first year of the 650 Custom?

I believe the bearing is a "6205" but there seems to be a sleeve inside the bearings as well. That seem like it might jive?

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28 May 2009 17:24 #294712 by Mark Wing
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1977 was the first year for the 650 custom and yes on the sleeve. Not sure on the bearing number.

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77 KZ650 C1 with ZX7 forks, GPZ mono rear, wider 18 police wheels and Yoshimura motor.

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28 May 2009 17:46 #294715 by MFolks
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It looks like the same rear wheel used on the 82 GPZ 1100.

1982 GPZ1100 B2
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28 May 2009 19:20 #294746 by RonKZ650
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It's a tube type wheel so that eliminates the GPZ1100. No shoulder on the wheel suggests a 1977 KZ650. Original Kawasaki Enkei. Not a Morris or a Lester. Should be a 6203 bearing I believe.

321,000 miles on KZ's that I can remember. Not going to see any more.

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28 May 2009 19:55 #294753 by gane
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Strizzo, this will be un-welcome, but... finding axle to fit wheel is'nt the answer..it will still be sloppy in swingarm as diameter is differnt. there are always options, but before going there, some things to check.. do cush drives enterchange? disc's swap? are hub widths same? often alterate bearings are an option, but may require fabriating center spacer. a smaller axle diametre by logic would indicate wheel is from a 650 or even a 550 (perhaps GPZ)luck g.

[img][/img] 1977 KZ1000A1

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28 May 2009 20:05 #294758 by 650ed
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I'm betting on it being from a 1977 KZ650C1 just like mine. The design is right and the charcoal color is right. The rotor has been switched or drilled. Original 1977 KZ650 rotors weren't drilled. Ed

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28 May 2009 20:41 #294764 by loudhvx
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Like Gane said, you should be able to get a different set of industrial bearings that will allow usage of the original thicker axle. You can find bearing charts on the internet. You need ID, OD, and bearing thickness. Also seal versus no seal. I always get sealed ones. The original bearings are just industrial ones anyway, at least in their sizing. I find them at bearing suppliers locally.

You will need three. One will be larger than the other two.

The spacers are a different story. You may have to get custom ones or use the ones from your old wheel. You can do a mockup by making two spacers to take the place of the swingarm and stack everything else accordingly. That way, you can test torque the axle to make sure nothing binds. The spacers in between the bearings (there should be no free space between bearings) are critical.

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05 Jun 2009 06:19 #296476 by Strizzzo
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Thanks for all the assists. I managed to lay hands on a used axle, spacer, nut kit from a 1977 KZ650C1 and it fits like a charm --- nice sleuthing!

In the meantime I remounted the spoked wheels so i could keep on truckin so now the question naggin on me.....should I getum beaded & pwdrcoated while there off and awaitin' deployment? There pretty banged up0 looking and I'm awful tempted....

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05 Jun 2009 06:24 #296478 by Strizzzo
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Also, by and by, the feedback re: there being potential other issues with swapping for a smaller diameter axle is all well taken. For the record - the cush drives enterchange, disc's swap & the hub widths seem oughly the same. in fact, the rotors in the photo are off my other spokes.

So my question is....should I go about trying to match bearings and fabricating the spacer to use the original larger diameter axle.....or should I try to use smaller diameter chain tensioners to match this axle.

Strength, fortitude and a full six-pack rating seem to suggest the former...expediency [1 beer] the latter.

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