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Checked the valves also:
Inlet:
1: 0.18mm
2: 0.15mm
3. 0.18mm
4. 0.18mm
Exhaust:
1: 0.18mm
2: 0.18mm
3: 0.18mm
4: 0.18mm
How does this look?
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"Alright. So I checked the main jets, and they were 102,5. Pretty standard I think.
Checked the valves also:
Inlet:
1: 0.18mm
2: 0.15mm
3. 0.18mm
4. 0.18mm
Exhaust:
1: 0.18mm
2: 0.18mm
3: 0.18mm
4: 0.18mm
How does this look?"
All within spec.
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...The general procedure accepted and pretty much outlined in the manuals involves turning the engine over to a specific point of rotation, then digging into your stash of feelers and measure the exact clearance between each valve bucket and cam lobe at the correct point of rotation. Then remove the cams, swap shims, reinstalll the cams, retime the cams. I learned long, long ago there's an easier way. Takes maybe 5 minutes at most to check all 8 valves.
Start out by getting your feelers, you need a .05mm, .10mm, .15mm and a .20mm. This is all you need for the most part, don't bother checking with more precision than that because it doesn't matter as shims are only available in .05mm increments.
Generally shoot for between .10-.15mm clearance cold. Turn the engine over slowly clockwise with your 17mm socket on the right end of the crank. Do this while constantly trying to insert a .10mm feeler between a bucket and cam lobe. If at any point of rotation a .10mm fits, try a .15mm. If not try a .05mm. This can be done quickly when you get the feel for it. Once you figure the largest feeler in .05mm increment that inserts call that your clearance, so if a .10mm fits and a .15mm doesn't, call .10mm your clearance. Do this for all 8 valves then figure what you've got to change. For example say the 8 valves measured .10, .05, 10, .15 on one cam, you'd see 2 are right where you want them, and one needs a one size larger shim, one needs a one size smaller to bring them all to .10mm. So then you remove your upper camchain idler, unbolt the cam, remove the caps, then carefully keep all chain slack between the cams and the chain tight going down in the engine and carefully move the cam towards the center of the engine, remove one of the valve buckets needing adjustment, retrieve the shim, note the size and obtain your suitable replacement, reinstall, carefully lift the cam back in position keeping chain tight going down in the engine, torque down the camcaps to 7 ft/lb or so and you're done with that cam. Recheck clearances and move to the other cam. One cam at a time, do the way I say and timing will not be fouled up.
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Basically, you turn the crankshaft with the 17mm nut on the right end of the crankshaft, under the ignition cover. Turn it to 1-4 "T" mark. Then look at the front edge of the EX cam from the right side of the bike. It should have a Line, EX on it, it should line up with the valve cover gasket surface. Then there is a Pin count for checking the IN cam. That changes from each model, and I don't have that # for the 650. So either your Service Manual, or another member can post the pin count back to the IN cam line?
Make sure you have the cross wedge out of the Cam Chain Tensioner before re-installing the valve cover. Its under the carb rack, 17mm nut on the cap, spring and wedge under it.
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Edit: Didnt see your post regarding my values before now.
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marcus91 wrote: Thanks.
So my values seems off then? Should I get smaller shims?
A smaller shim increases clearance.
If the clearances were only measured without loosening the camshafts and without disturbing the cam chain's position on the cam sprocket, the cam timing would not be affected.
If desired, correctness of the cam timing may be verified without loosening the camshafts and without disturbing the cam chain's position on the cam sprocket.
Absent some reason to suspect incorrect cam timing, the cam timing is probably okay. But it won't hurt to check.
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Thanks for the reply Patton, will check it.
By the way, I now know that the bike does not run on all 4! Cylinder 2 and 3 are not working. They are getting spark though. What else can it be?
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Now you say the 2 &3 cylinders don't run? Have you checked the compression? You say they have spark, so compression is next. this and the back firing is why I said to verify the Camshaft timing. To rule that out, as while the valve cover is of it only takes a minute.
Verify you have good compression on all 4.
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