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08 Sep 2012 19:11 #547525 by lushbaugh
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battery fully charged at 12.6 to 13.4 at idle will die down at idle to eleven volts quickly, i rev the bike and hold at 3k and it will pick up and come up to say 11.4 and hold. one stator leg is only pushing 3v at idle and 10 at revs.

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08 Sep 2012 20:07 #547530 by MFolks
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The stator is bad, tried doing an ohm check with a multimeter?

Alternator Testing For the Older 4’s(Z1’s,Kz 900’s, Kz1000’s,Kz1100’s ,GPz1100’s
And possibly the 750’s).

To check to see if the alternator is working you need to follow these simple steps:

1. Fully charge the battery as this will be the power source during this test.

2. Disconnect the Regulator/Rectifier at the plug that has the six wires in it.

3. Start the engine and let it warm to operating temperature.

4. If you're worried about overheating, position a large fan for cooling the engine.

5. After the engine has reached operating temperature, have a helper assist you, and using a multi-meter, read the output at the three yellow wires (or the alternator output wires)at the disconnected connector.

6. Raise the engine speed to 4000 rpm, and see what the three YELLOW wire combinations(or any alternator output wires) are(1-3, 2-3 & 1-2). The output will be around 50 Volts A.C.(Alternating Current). BE CAREFUL, AS THERE IS A SHOCK HAZARD HERE!! The Alternator produces a three(3) phase A.C. power that is changed to D.C. by the regulator/rectifier, powering the motorcycles electrical system.



7. If any of the combinations are low or non-existent, the stator(wire windings) are bad and must be replaced. Some of the older Z1’s and KZ900’s were reported to be phase sensitive, so check the wire colors carefully.

8. Using an OHMETER, Check the three wire combinations again, looking for a reading of 0.36 - 0.54 OHMS. If the readings are above or below, the stator may be bad and need replacement. Also check from any of the three YELLOW wires to ground, this will show if arcing took place. Check only with the engine off !!

9. Before ordering a new stator, check the connections from the stator as there are electrical "Bullet" connectors that may be damaged or dirty. Inspect the wiring for signs of shorting or overheating too. www.z1enterprises.com sells replacement rubber grommets for the alternator output wiring, they get hard and could leak oil after a while.

10. Check the wiring coming out of the grommet as there have been situations where the wires were damaged causing a short(I.E. twisted together with insulation damage).

11. The sprocket cover will have to be removed to access the electrical connectors coming from the alternator, the left foot peg assembly and shifting lever will have to come off also.





Alternator Stator Replacement On the Older 4’s

Source for replacement Stators:

A. www.electrosport.com/technical-resources.../fault-finding-guide
B. www.customrewind.com
C. www.rmstator.com
D. www.regulatorrectifier.com
E. www.oregonmotorcycleparts.com (Rectifier/ Regulators Only)

1. If by testing either by checking the output voltage from the stator or by using and ohmmeter for resistance and the stator is determined to be bad, replacing the stator is not a difficult job.

2. The motorcycle owner should have on hand a replacement alternator gasket as it will tear on removal and leak if reused.

3. Put the bike on the center stand if possible and lean it to the right to minimize the oil volume that could come out when the alternator cover is removed.

4. Have selection of Metric wrenches and sockets along with Metric Allen keys to be able to accomplish this repair. ¼" and 3/8" ratchets and extensions may be needed along with Allen bits.

5. Remove the gear shift lever, the sprocket cover and possibly the left foot peg assembly.

6. A catch pan for what little oil will be lost should be positioned under the alternator on the left side. Newspapers will soak up any oil lost or some kitty litter will do as an absorbent.

7. Remove the alternator cover fasteners, some bikes use a socket head cap screw(Allen type) and others use the Phillips head type, the #3 screwdriver bit fits best for those. Use a small dish or can to collect the removed fasteners from the parts to prevent loss/damage.

8. The alternator stator is secured to the inside of the cover usually with three Allen headed bolts, Some bikes may have Torx style fasteners(looks like a star), Remove them and disconnect the three yellow wires that have bullet connectors on them from the bundled wires inside the sprocket cover.

9. If your bike has some color other than yellow for the alternator output wires, make note of what goes where as the older Kawasaki’s were phase sensitive in regard to the regulator/rectifiers.

10. When installing the replacement stator, clock or position the output wires and grommet so they fit into the small port under the alternator cover without being pinched or damaged.

11. Tighten the three Allen or Torx fasteners, securing the replacement stator to the cover. I like using the BLUE Loctite # 242 for hardware that can be removed with hand tools.

12. Remove the old gasket from the mating surfaces of the alternator cover and engine case by scraping with a piece of sharpened plastic like Lexan or Plexi-glass as these will not gouge the soft Aluminum Cases. Avoid using a metal gasket scraper for this.

13. Position the alternator cover, checking for pinched wiring and install the fasteners with a little silver anti-seize on the threads, tightening to the correct torque.

14. Connect up the output wires to the mating female bullet connectors and while you’re in there, check the routing of the wire bundle that runs through there.

15. Inspect for signs of heat damage to the wire insulation and vibration damage too.

16. The side stand switch, neutral switch, and oil pressure switch wiring are all bundled with the alternator output wiring running above and behind the engine output sprocket. This bundle runs in a channel as it goes up toward the various electrical connections.

17. The regulator/rectifier plug on the 80’s bikes usually has six wires in it:

A. One (1) WHITE with RED stripe, this is the bikes main power wire usually 12 gauge in size.

B. One(1) smaller BROWN wire, probably 18 gauge or so, the voltage sense wire for the regulator/rectifier, helps keeping it from overcharging the battery.

C. One(1) BLACK with YELLOW stripe wire, part of the ground circuits, maybe 16 gauge in size.

D. Three(3) YELLOW wires, maybe 14 gauge in size, the alternator output wires going to the regulator/rectifier which converts the Alternating Current(A.C.) to Direct Current(D.C.) using rectification, producing the power to run the motorcycle and charge the battery.

18. Reinstall the sprocket cover, again checking for pinched wires before tightening. Install the shifter on it’s splined shaft checking for proper location, and the left side foot peg assembly.

19. Except for the minor oil spill and reluctant fasteners, it’s not a very difficult job to do.

1982 GPZ1100 B2
General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
GLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk, AGM-129A Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM)

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08 Sep 2012 20:14 #547531 by MFolks
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Loosing one or more of the three phases can be caused by:
1. Poor workmanship from the manufacturer.
2. Bad crimp on the windings.
3. Faulty soldering on the joints.
4. Burned windings due to electrical overload.
5. Rectifier/regulator has failed.
6. Twisted yellow wiring from the stator windings,shorting out.

I'd look at the connectors on the main fuse block and the rectifier/regulator for burned pins(male and female).

1982 GPZ1100 B2
General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
GLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk, AGM-129A Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM)

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11 Sep 2012 02:47 #547971 by lushbaugh
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No burnt pins but the rubber seal was burnt, had another reg. With a burnt ground that i repaired and put on, i noticed that the only stator that will work is a 79 or 80 ltd 1k. Why is this? I assume it was the only 3 phase before the mk11 motors?

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11 Sep 2012 10:01 - 11 Sep 2012 10:03 #547986 by Motor Head
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Have you tested each of the three stator wires for a break, between the R/R plug and where they are connected to the Stator coils? Either an ohm meter, .7 ohm, or a test light bulb which will put current through it. Try this with the stator off of the bike. Use An H4 head light, looped from the battery so you have a circuit through the Stator coil. It should light up and be bright on each or the two pairs. Wiggle the harness to see if there is a break in the wires, common around the sprocket area. Or if it is shorted out, it may have power on the backing plate.
On fitment, I don't know of the differences between the later and early 3 phase stator. but someone here might be able to tell you. Maybe the Stator and Rotor can be used as a set???

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20 Sep 2012 13:55 #549894 by lushbaugh
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quick update, replaced stator which improved amount of time i can run till the dyna drains her down, after a highway ride well in charging rpms it is still breaking up and draining so i am right this sec replacing the 30 plus year old undersized stator wires completely then making aux grounds and eliminating all butt connecters on the charging/ignition system. previous owner before my dad made that company rich. ugh. well im praying its not my regulator also as i only have two and i cant ride far as i got popped by johnny law last night and he threw the book at me. 84 in a 45 and multiple tag infractions and sus. license. oh well wish me luck guys.

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20 Sep 2012 20:37 #549955 by Patton
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lushbaugh wrote: battery fully charged...rev the bike and hold at 3k and it will...come up to say 11.4 and hold....

Voltage measured across battery posts should be 14+ volts at 3000~4000 rpm.

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21 Sep 2012 00:57 #550012 by lushbaugh
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I got 13 after it slowly climbed up from 12 something. the dyna s and big ol headlight drain her down hard. cant test it much as no where to ride and check its charging and revving the piss out of it has me paranoid im hearing bottom end gremlins. prolly just needs a sync done and that may clear up some backlash noise. this things a mess but thank you guys a ton. the wire harness is hacked but i soldered everything today and all new 14 awg stator wiring along with direct grounds and new batt cable. shes slowly getting nice

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21 Sep 2012 01:01 #550013 by Motor Head
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What is the charging voltage across the battery terminals at 4K RPM when you un-hook the headlight?

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21 Sep 2012 11:14 #550062 by Patton
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lushbaugh wrote: I got 13 after it slowly climbed up from 12 something. the dyna s and big ol headlight drain her down hard. cant test it much as no where to ride and check its charging and revving the piss out of it has me paranoid im hearing bottom end gremlins. prolly just needs a sync done and that may clear up some backlash noise. this things a mess but thank you guys a ton. the wire harness is hacked but i soldered everything today and all new 14 awg stator wiring along with direct grounds and new batt cable. shes slowly getting nice


I might be wrong, but thinking the Dyna-S and headlight should not influence the charging voltage being measured across the terminal posts on a good fully charged battery.

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22 Sep 2012 16:45 #550284 by lushbaugh
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went for an awesome ride from brunswick md thru middletown md thru boonsboro then smithsburg md. stopped for a smoke and it was dead to where i had to kick her to life. im guessing the regulator is crap too?

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22 Sep 2012 20:21 #550307 by lushbaugh
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only getting 12.8 at 4k so im in the market for a regulator. is there a way i could clip the brown wire and see if thats it or no point

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