Dyna-S Electronic Ignition DS2-2 for KZ750

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22 Nov 2010 16:28 #413826 by kzcafe750_24
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Hey Guys,

I got a 81' kz750 4cylinder and I am doing a complete rebuild on the motor with upgrades(83'gpz750 intake cam,83 gpz750 oil cooler, and small nesserary things), and was wondering if:
(1) - it would be worth upgrading to the Dyna-S DS2-2 ignition and a set of dyna 3.0ohm coils?
(2) - would i notice a big difference?

The way my bike is right now, It has electronic ignition with mechainical advance and stock coils.

Thanks Much,
Dave

1981 Kz 750-4 LTD - Wiseco 810 Big Bore,Ported cylinder head, GPZ 750 Cams,Dyna Ignition(DynaS,Green Coils,DRL400 2stage Revlimiter), RC 4 into 1 fitted with Yoshi muffler, ZR550 Swing arm, ZR550 Rear Rim, ZX750turbo front end SuperFlo Dyno Tuned- 68WHP&43WTq(ftlbs)
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22 Nov 2010 22:45 #413882 by Patton
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kzcafe750_24 wrote:

Hey Guys,

I got a 81' kz750 4cylinder and I am doing a complete rebuild on the motor with upgrades(83'gpz750 intake cam,83 gpz750 oil cooler, and small nesserary things), and was wondering if:
(1) - it would be worth upgrading to the Dyna-S DS2-2 ignition and a set of dyna 3.0ohm coils?
(2) - would i notice a big difference?

The way my bike is right now, It has electronic ignition with mechainical advance and stock coils.

Thanks Much,
Dave


Properly functioning stock Kawasaki (IC Igniter style) electronic ignition is in some ways superior to Dyna-S.

Likely unable to notice any seat-of-the-pants performance difference between them.

Good Fortune! :)

1973 Z1
KZ900 LTD

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23 Nov 2010 03:03 #413887 by nads.com
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Yeah but what about the coils man! The voltage difference? The performance increase ...... is there any? I WANNA KNOW!

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23 Nov 2010 05:38 #413895 by Patton
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Am thinking the actual spark quality at plug tips is equivalent between the two ignitions, and that specified coil resistance is part of the design criteria.

There are several discussions in other threads about the relative pro and cons, some of which is beyond my comprehension, but may boil down to the Dyna-S being more of a voltage hog at lower rpm (inherent in its relative simplicity as compared to the oem Kawasaki electronic ignition).

Good Fortune! :)

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23 Nov 2010 09:10 #413907 by JR
Like Patton says, the stock early 80s 750/4 electronic ignition is an excellent system.
If it's working I would save $ and leave it alone.

1980 kz750E1, Delkevic exhaust

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23 Nov 2010 09:47 #413908 by sroberts152
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I called K1 last week to order a Dyna-S for my 78 650. I asked them about the coils and the ignition wires. They told me if mine were in good order to leave them, save the money and it would be just fine. My parts came in last night and won't go on for a bit (since my wiring harness is on the shelf). Z1 has been good with my questions.

1978 KZ650SR
2001 Triumph Speed Triple i955

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23 Nov 2010 09:51 #413909 by MFolks
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These ignition coils are marginal right from the factory, and with time and heat become a possible source of problems.

Take a multimeter and read the primary side(small wires) of the coils with the wires disconnected, this will tell you what ohm range of coils you'll need(usually 3 ohm).

For a stronger spark, I'd suggest getting a set of the Dyna non resistive sparkplug wires and not use the sparkplug caps with the resistors at all.

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General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
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23 Nov 2010 12:00 #413920 by OnkelB
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A good working factory electronic ignition is just as good (or better) than a Dyna-S, so if yours is working I would leave well enough alone and save myself some money.

What may make a difference is the coils, depending on the condition of the ones you have.

As already suggested measure the primary and secondary resistance and check the coils for cracks. Primary resistance should read 1.8 - 2.7 ohms, secondary should read 12 - 18 Kohms (12,000 - 18,000 ohms).

If resistance checks out and you haven't experienced any heat/moisture problems with your coils you should be all set with what you have - if you want to replace the coils with a set of Dyna coils anyway you would want the grey 2.2 ohm coils (DC4-1) and a set of Dyna plug wires.

Btw, the Dyna-S also use the stock mechanical advancer.

77 KZ 650 B1, 82 GPz 1100 B2.

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23 Nov 2010 18:10 - 23 Nov 2010 18:12 #413968 by nads.com
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guess i tried to find out if dyna coils have more voltage but noone knew or wanted to tell!:laugh: You have to have jewels! Spark energy where it matters. LOUDX! Help these poor guessing souls!
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23 Nov 2010 19:22 #413979 by kzcafe750_24
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Hey Guys,
Thanks for the info. The coils on my bike are crap, had problems with them when I first got the bike running, but got them to work again, so I'll be replacing them with the dyna coils. As far as the ignition, the mechanical advancing unit is a little bit rusty, not terrible, and the one of the rubber dampers on the arm is cracked.
So I am thinking it needs to be changed. What do you guys think? And If I do, which way should I go, dyna vs stock, i believe their pretty close to the same price.

Thanks for helping,
Dave

1981 Kz 750-4 LTD - Wiseco 810 Big Bore,Ported cylinder head, GPZ 750 Cams,Dyna Ignition(DynaS,Green Coils,DRL400 2stage Revlimiter), RC 4 into 1 fitted with Yoshi muffler, ZR550 Swing arm, ZR550 Rear Rim, ZX750turbo front end SuperFlo Dyno Tuned- 68WHP&43WTq(ftlbs)
1986 Honda Rebel 250 (Stock)
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24 Nov 2010 21:45 #414139 by nads.com
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uhuh uhuh, I like it ;)

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25 Nov 2010 06:01 - 25 Nov 2010 06:02 #414165 by Patton
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kzcafe750_24 wrote:

...mechanical advancing unit is a little bit rusty, not terrible, and the one of the rubber dampers on the arm is cracked. So I am thinking it needs to be changed. What do you guys think?....

Would clean and lube the advancer, and keep using it, including the cracked rubber damper.

Good Fortune! :)

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