Rectifier/Regulator = 1, Dyna S = 0

My understanding is the Rectifier/Regulator has no function regarding the ignition system. It's purpose is to rectify the Alternating Current(A.C.) from the Stator(the wire windings)to Direct Current(D.C.)and to be able to charge the bike's battery and run the electrical system.

Any excess current is sent as heat through the cooling fins.
So if you've un-plugged the R/R, your bike may be on a total loss ignition system(that is, you have no way to recharge the battery).

Correct. The rectifer / reg rectifies the AC from the alternator and regulates the system voltage. It has nothing to do with the ignition, but without regulation system voltage can get near 18V which will blow a lot of stuff. I'm surprised an expensive ignition would not have OV protection, but maybe not.

bountyhunter wrote:

Correct. The rectifer / reg rectifies the AC from the alternator and regulates the system voltage. It has nothing to do with the ignition, but without regulation system voltage can get near 18V which will blow a lot of stuff. I'm surprised an expensive ignition would not have OV protection, but maybe not.

Correct, the R/R unit is always a requirement. The ignighter box is the part you can chuck with the old electronic ignition.

The Dyna S, despite its complexity, is not as resiliant as some might think. For external heat it can withstand lots, but get a regulator leaking lots of current and pop! No mo dyno! :laugh:

My new Dyna S will be here Monday, via priority from Z1E.

TeK9iNe wrote:

...After just idling for a couple minutes, while revving the bike, it suddenly started stumbling hard...1&4 were not firing...swapped the coils.
1&4 Were still not firing! WHAT!... ANYTHING I COULD BE MISSING HERE?....

Extended idle, especially with choke, (perhaps aggravated by a too high fuel level in 1 or 4 and/or slightly over rich pilot circuit for whatever reason in 1 or 4) may sometimes cause fuel fouling of a spark plug during initial warm-up. Same early plug fouling issue could be even further aggravated by a low battery. Either 1 or 4 non-firing plug will also take out the other plug because of the looped secondary.

And if not already done, would assure valve clearances being to specs in 1 and 4, as low compression might become an issue as engine temp increases toward normal operating temperature. [Sorry if proper clearances already reported.]

Would install brand new NGKB8ES plugs in 1 and 4, and fully charge battery. Then crank and ride immediately with minimum possible choke, or no choke, and see whether the problem persists.

Good Fortune!

Patton wrote:

TeK9iNe wrote:

...After just idling for a couple minutes, while revving the bike, it suddenly started stumbling hard...1&4 were not firing...swapped the coils.
1&4 Were still not firing! WHAT!... ANYTHING I COULD BE MISSING HERE?....

Extended idle, especially with choke, (perhaps aggravated by a too high fuel level in 1 or 4 and/or slightly over rich pilot circuit for whatever reason in 1 or 4) may sometimes cause fuel fouling of a spark plug during initial warm-up. Same early plug fouling issue could be even further aggravated by a low battery. Either 1 or 4 non-firing plug will also take out the other plug because of the looped secondary.

And if not already done, would assure valve clearances being to specs in 1 and 4, as low compression might become an issue as engine temp increases toward normal operating temperature. [Sorry if proper clearances already reported.]

Would install brand new NGKB8ES plugs in 1 and 4, and fully charge battery. Then crank and ride immediately with minimum possible choke, or no choke, and see whether the problem persists.

Good Fortune!

All very good info Patton.

The valve clearances are excellent along with compression.

Plugs look fine, and worked great for several miles...
Swapped them with no change.

I tried the "make sure float bowls were proper and full, then just go", but as soon as I hit the throttle and the bike revs up to go, the 1 and 4 cylinders just die, and never come back!

I just changed the pilots down 1 size as weather was getting much warmer, and I had the mixture screws near perfect...

Oh well...

:silly:

hocbj23 wrote:

Excuse my ignorance here but why are u running both the Dyna "S" system and the R/R? When I installed the Dyna on my KZ,I unplugged the R/R as it no longer has a function in a full electronic ignition.I did have to install a seperate pickup for my elec tach,but everything else works just fine.Is it the year or model of the bike that makes a difference or ? Thanks for educating the old man.bj

now thats just plain silly...
dyna s replaces the points......reg /rec is part of the charging system......just messing with you....
seriously.....seperate systems, but close in relation

OK.I knew the igniter was not necessary. It was defective anyway which is why I went to the Dyna S.I suspected the r/r was going bad as well because of hi voltage at the battery and the stator checking out within spec.So I unplugged the r/r and have been running the bike since without it.As someone pointed out,a "total loss" system.So far no issues,but I am assuming the battery will need to be charged occasionally even though I keep a battery tender on it when parked--hasnt happened yet though.I have a spare r/r-anyone know a simple test for it off the bike to determine if it is ok or not?Thanks.bj

No eBay APP ID and/or Cert ID defined in Kunena configurationI just found this on eBay.


Might be a cheap way out.

bj I still don't get your configuration for even nightly battery tender, running directly off the battery shouldn't buy you more than 20-30 miles without severly draining the battery thus dieing out on you...

As mentioned, EI draws increased amperage so your battery should be draining fairly rapidly without the R&R... Now throw brakelight activation into the mix, never mind head light current, that draws nearly 2 amps by itself.... :blink:

Maybe you have found the Golden key to endless power...

OMR

Thanks for the heads up Otto.

I have a new Dyna S coming from Z1E Monday.
Just cant do the used thing anymore, I want a warranty! :laugh:

Cheers.