GREMLINS - Intermittent Cut Out and Restart

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23 Apr 2010 15:28 #362672 by MentalMike
My 650 C, which is my daily rider, has started to cut out on me while riding. What I mean by cut out is the bike totally dies, as if hitting the kill switch. Yesterday it cut out once for about 2 seconds and today it happened once for about 4 seconds. Both times I was rolling in gear so the engine was being forced to turn over and then she just started up again and I was on my way.

I checked all my wiring and everything seems clean and secure. I kick start her as the electric start is disconnected right now so it can't be a kill switch malfunction. She has a DYNA on her and otherwise has run beautifully and trouble free. I know it wouldn't be coils or spark either, as that would mean poor running and not complete death.

What do you guys think?

I swear to God, it's like I live in a trailer of common sense, and stare out the window at a tornado of stupidity.

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23 Apr 2010 15:55 #362678 by Patton
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Would check integrity of the splice where power wire to Dyna (red?) splices into the harness wire.

Then connections at both ends of main fuse.

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23 Apr 2010 15:56 #362679 by bountyhunter
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When mine was doing that it turned out to be the ignition switch.

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23 Apr 2010 16:00 #362683 by Patton
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Could also be internally frayed/broken wire to the dual connector that feeds batt+ to the coils.

Consider test run with hot wire from batt+ feeding both coils (instead of the dual connector from harness).
Disconnect hot wire immediately after shutting down engine.

Good Fortune! :)

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23 Apr 2010 16:01 #362685 by TeK9iNe
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As mentioned... the kill switch can cause this if its corroded inside. With enough vibration it can click off and on.

Bad coils can do this too, but usually dont until they get scorching hot, like after you stop for a few minutes after a decent ride. Everything under the tank get super hot then, and if your coils are going, they will start cutting in and out.

Anyways... Its an intermittent connection somewhere, so just check all the ones involved. Pull'em apart, scrape/scratch them up till they're nice and shiney, then make sure they fit nice and snug.

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23 Apr 2010 16:04 #362686 by Patton
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Or a faulty kill switch (maybe dirt inside?). :)

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23 Apr 2010 16:08 #362688 by Patton
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The main fuse itself could be failing. :)

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23 Apr 2010 16:32 - 23 Apr 2010 16:36 #362697 by MentalMike
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The kill switch is cut at the bar, that's why I said I knew it couldn't be that. But I didn't think of the ignition switch though, I'll check that.

Patton, are there any external signs to a main fuse failing? I can replace it just in case, but it would be nice to be able to see it coming.

And both times it happened I had been on the bike for no more that 5 minutes, as it happened at the beginning of my rides.

I swear to God, it's like I live in a trailer of common sense, and stare out the window at a tornado of stupidity.

1976 Kawasaki KZ900
1978 Kawasaki KZ1000A
1978 Kawasaki KZ650 C
1984 Kawasaki ZN1100 LTD
1985 Kawasaki ZX900A2 GPZ (2)
1985 Kawasaki ZL900 Eliminator
2013 Kawasaki C14 Concours
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23 Apr 2010 17:01 #362702 by Patton
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MentalMike wrote:

...any external signs to a main fuse failing? I can replace it just in case, but it would be nice to be able to see it coming....


Fuse is probably okay if it looks all right inside, and the connectors at ends are clean and intact.

Am thinking here the problem is most likely either the ignition switch or at splice-in for power wire to Dyna-S.

It sounds like power to both coils is being interrupted. Which at least removes some suspicion as to coils and high tension circuits.

Are a voltmeter and an ohmmeter available for testing?

Good Fortune! :)

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23 Apr 2010 18:16 #362716 by MentalMike
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Yes I do have a multimeter. I will do a top to bottom check this weekend.

Thanks for the feedback, fellas. B)

I swear to God, it's like I live in a trailer of common sense, and stare out the window at a tornado of stupidity.

1976 Kawasaki KZ900
1978 Kawasaki KZ1000A
1978 Kawasaki KZ650 C
1984 Kawasaki ZN1100 LTD
1985 Kawasaki ZX900A2 GPZ (2)
1985 Kawasaki ZL900 Eliminator
2013 Kawasaki C14 Concours

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23 Apr 2010 18:19 - 23 Apr 2010 18:21 #362718 by Old Man Rock
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Ok, here we go... I have to ask.... :whistle:

Do you have the coil mod installed? :pinch: :whistle:
If so, is it operating and passing ideal battery voltage...

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23 Apr 2010 18:54 #362727 by MentalMike
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LOL....Nope, no coil mod on this bike, or any of my bikes. :P

I've gone the old fashioned way in making sure my wiring and connections were clean and not stealing any voltage. B)

I swear to God, it's like I live in a trailer of common sense, and stare out the window at a tornado of stupidity.

1976 Kawasaki KZ900
1978 Kawasaki KZ1000A
1978 Kawasaki KZ650 C
1984 Kawasaki ZN1100 LTD
1985 Kawasaki ZX900A2 GPZ (2)
1985 Kawasaki ZL900 Eliminator
2013 Kawasaki C14 Concours

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