Wideband O2 kit recommendations?
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Wideband O2 kit recommendations?
10 May 2024 17:34
Hi All,
I'm thinking I'd like to install a wideband O2 sensor to help dial in my carb settings for my new Wiseco 615cc setup. I see a lot of slick looking systems out there but it doesn't seem like many (any?) are designed for motorcycles. I'm thinking the gauge would need to be waterproof, and I haven't found any that include mounting hardware. I'm looking for recommendations and/or experiences people have had. Thank you!
I'm thinking I'd like to install a wideband O2 sensor to help dial in my carb settings for my new Wiseco 615cc setup. I see a lot of slick looking systems out there but it doesn't seem like many (any?) are designed for motorcycles. I'm thinking the gauge would need to be waterproof, and I haven't found any that include mounting hardware. I'm looking for recommendations and/or experiences people have had. Thank you!
1990 Zephyr zr550 B1
Wiseco 615cc kit
zx550 cams
SPII ignition system
Kerker stainless steel race exhaust with 1.5" competition baffle
K&N Air Filter...
Wiseco 615cc kit
zx550 cams
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K&N Air Filter...
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Re: Wideband O2 kit recommendations?
10 May 2024 19:07 - 11 May 2024 10:25
I think if you were doing any carb testing your not going to go out in a rain storm, you may get caught in one but with the precise forecast these days that is quite unlikely.
On the 8th page of my project build I made a gauge cover and mount for a AEM AFR UEGO gauge (self contained gauge and controller)
In the past I have used a Innovate controller kit thru a PC (tuning a alcohol injected drag bike)
I also am doing a DFI conversion using a 14 point seven brand controller with a Mirosquirt ECU. Both setups use Bosch LSU49 O2 sensor, non brand name sensors don't work with the software or gauges. Cheaping out on a low cost O2 sensor does not make sense.
I don't recommend having a permanent gauge as they are too distracting (especially the sweeping type) but some people do and its a personal choice. Once the carbs are running correctly there is no need to have it mounted.
On the 8th page of my project build I made a gauge cover and mount for a AEM AFR UEGO gauge (self contained gauge and controller)
In the past I have used a Innovate controller kit thru a PC (tuning a alcohol injected drag bike)
I also am doing a DFI conversion using a 14 point seven brand controller with a Mirosquirt ECU. Both setups use Bosch LSU49 O2 sensor, non brand name sensors don't work with the software or gauges. Cheaping out on a low cost O2 sensor does not make sense.
I don't recommend having a permanent gauge as they are too distracting (especially the sweeping type) but some people do and its a personal choice. Once the carbs are running correctly there is no need to have it mounted.
1978 KZ650B2 w 1197cc Z1 engine
1977 KZ650B1 w 750cc Spectre engine
1979 KZ650C3 w 831cc Hot Rod engine
1978 KZ650C2 w 762cc DFI project
1977 KZ650C1 stock restoration project
1978 KZ650B2 modified project
1978 KZ650B2 Injected Drag 831cc
1980 Z1 Custom Frame Drag 1327cc
1981 Z50R Honda tow bike
1977 KZ650B1 w 750cc Spectre engine
1979 KZ650C3 w 831cc Hot Rod engine
1978 KZ650C2 w 762cc DFI project
1977 KZ650C1 stock restoration project
1978 KZ650B2 modified project
1978 KZ650B2 Injected Drag 831cc
1980 Z1 Custom Frame Drag 1327cc
1981 Z50R Honda tow bike
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Re: Wideband O2 kit recommendations?
10 May 2024 20:27 - 11 May 2024 06:04
Yeah, I just use mine when testing. I had the Innovate LM-2, but mine had a habit of shutting down then restarting. It was a pain.
I went to www.14point7.com and got his SLC FREE 2. I ended up getting 2 of those units.
I wouldn't run mine all of the time as the O2 sensors stick out to the side asking to get broken off.
For $120 each with sensor, it's a pretty good deal. Note: he's located in Canada.
All of SLC FREE 2 build is open sourced. You can build one if you wish.
I stacked mine and put a tripod bushing in the back to be able to mount it to a gopro arm.
www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/101501-RE...er_Screw_3_8_16.html
There is only one sensor plugged in.
I went to www.14point7.com and got his SLC FREE 2. I ended up getting 2 of those units.
I wouldn't run mine all of the time as the O2 sensors stick out to the side asking to get broken off.
For $120 each with sensor, it's a pretty good deal. Note: he's located in Canada.
All of SLC FREE 2 build is open sourced. You can build one if you wish.
I stacked mine and put a tripod bushing in the back to be able to mount it to a gopro arm.
www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/101501-RE...er_Screw_3_8_16.html
There is only one sensor plugged in.
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Re: Wideband O2 kit recommendations?
12 May 2024 05:30
I use an AFR gauge in my cars and move it around when I tune. They don't need to be permanently installed and you can plug up the O2 sensor bung when not in use. I have not considered using it on my bikes but now that I think about it....
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Re: Wideband O2 kit recommendations?
12 May 2024 10:51
OK, thanks all. I suppose you're right, I can just mount the sensor and gauge when testing, no need for a permanent mount.
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Wiseco 615cc kit
zx550 cams
SPII ignition system
Kerker stainless steel race exhaust with 1.5" competition baffle
K&N Air Filter...
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Re: Wideband O2 kit recommendations?
12 May 2024 17:34 - 12 May 2024 17:36
If your looking for a standalone gauge your probably going to have to cobble something up. I don't think I have ever seen one that is "motorcycle" specific since not many new bikes use carbs.
You can buy gauge mount pods designed for cars, but they would need to be modified to mount on a handlebar. The rest is pretty straight forward, just wiring and splicing into your harness.
I have not used my new AFR gauge yet, just wondering if it can survive the extra vibration that a bike makes VS a car.
You can buy gauge mount pods designed for cars, but they would need to be modified to mount on a handlebar. The rest is pretty straight forward, just wiring and splicing into your harness.
I have not used my new AFR gauge yet, just wondering if it can survive the extra vibration that a bike makes VS a car.
1978 KZ650B2 w 1197cc Z1 engine
1977 KZ650B1 w 750cc Spectre engine
1979 KZ650C3 w 831cc Hot Rod engine
1978 KZ650C2 w 762cc DFI project
1977 KZ650C1 stock restoration project
1978 KZ650B2 modified project
1978 KZ650B2 Injected Drag 831cc
1980 Z1 Custom Frame Drag 1327cc
1981 Z50R Honda tow bike
1977 KZ650B1 w 750cc Spectre engine
1979 KZ650C3 w 831cc Hot Rod engine
1978 KZ650C2 w 762cc DFI project
1977 KZ650C1 stock restoration project
1978 KZ650B2 modified project
1978 KZ650B2 Injected Drag 831cc
1980 Z1 Custom Frame Drag 1327cc
1981 Z50R Honda tow bike
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Re: Wideband O2 kit recommendations?
12 May 2024 23:40Can you build a rubber mount into your setup ?If your looking for a standalone gauge your probably going to have to cobble something up. I don't think I have ever seen one that is "motorcycle" specific since not many new bikes use carbs.
You can buy gauge mount pods designed for cars, but they would need to be modified to mount on a handlebar. The rest is pretty straight forward, just wiring and splicing into your harness.
I have not used my new AFR gauge yet, just wondering if it can survive the extra vibration that a bike makes VS a car.
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Re: Wideband O2 kit recommendations?
13 May 2024 05:00 - 13 May 2024 05:08
I believe there is a wideband AFR that uses your phone as the display. I think that would be perfect. I know of a guy using one, but I can't recall the brand.
edit: Found an example hyper racing
edit: Found an example hyper racing
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North GA
2016 Yamaha FJR1300ES
1982 GPz750 R1
1974 Kawasaki H1
1976 Kawasaki KZ400
1979 Yamaha XS650 cafe'
2001 KZ1000P
2001 Yamaha YZ426
1981 Honda XR200 stroked in an '89 CR125 chassis
1965 Mustang
1967 Triumph GT6
1976 Bronco
"If you didn't build it, it's not really yours"
North GA
2016 Yamaha FJR1300ES
1982 GPz750 R1
1974 Kawasaki H1
1976 Kawasaki KZ400
1979 Yamaha XS650 cafe'
2001 KZ1000P
2001 Yamaha YZ426
1981 Honda XR200 stroked in an '89 CR125 chassis
1965 Mustang
1967 Triumph GT6
1976 Bronco
"If you didn't build it, it's not really yours"
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Re: Wideband O2 kit recommendations?
13 May 2024 05:41Nice bit of kit but "a lot of coin" for something you would potentially use very infrequently unless you where running a shop (potentially once you have your jetting sorted it would live in a cupboard !!)I believe there is a wideband AFR that uses your phone as the display. I think that would be perfect. I know of a guy using one, but I can't recall the brand.
edit: Found an example hyper racing
1982 KZ1000 Ltd
www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/617631...-82-begins?start=192
kzrider.com/filebase-alias?view=download...d-fault-diagnosis&ca
www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/617631...-82-begins?start=192
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13 May 2024 06:51Yeah, not cheap but... I have more than one bike and several cars so with the just the additional cost of an O2 sensor bung I could use it all the time.Nice bit of kit but "a lot of coin" for something you would potentially use very infrequently unless you where running a shop (potentially once you have your jetting sorted it would live in a cupboard !!)
Jim
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2016 Yamaha FJR1300ES
1982 GPz750 R1
1974 Kawasaki H1
1976 Kawasaki KZ400
1979 Yamaha XS650 cafe'
2001 KZ1000P
2001 Yamaha YZ426
1981 Honda XR200 stroked in an '89 CR125 chassis
1965 Mustang
1967 Triumph GT6
1976 Bronco
"If you didn't build it, it's not really yours"
North GA
2016 Yamaha FJR1300ES
1982 GPz750 R1
1974 Kawasaki H1
1976 Kawasaki KZ400
1979 Yamaha XS650 cafe'
2001 KZ1000P
2001 Yamaha YZ426
1981 Honda XR200 stroked in an '89 CR125 chassis
1965 Mustang
1967 Triumph GT6
1976 Bronco
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13 May 2024 07:18 - 13 May 2024 07:20I did build in some rubber dampers but there is only so much you can do. Cars have more suspension and tires to smooth out the ride than bikes so it will have to be seen. That is why I like oil filled gauges over plain gauges. The AFR gauge also has a circuit board in it, that is what worries me the most. Since it will only be for limited use I am just hoping it will survive for that short amount of time.Can you build a rubber mount into your setup ?If your looking for a standalone gauge your probably going to have to cobble something up. I don't think I have ever seen one that is "motorcycle" specific since not many new bikes use carbs.
You can buy gauge mount pods designed for cars, but they would need to be modified to mount on a handlebar. The rest is pretty straight forward, just wiring and splicing into your harness.
I have not used my new AFR gauge yet, just wondering if it can survive the extra vibration that a bike makes VS a car.
1978 KZ650B2 w 1197cc Z1 engine
1977 KZ650B1 w 750cc Spectre engine
1979 KZ650C3 w 831cc Hot Rod engine
1978 KZ650C2 w 762cc DFI project
1977 KZ650C1 stock restoration project
1978 KZ650B2 modified project
1978 KZ650B2 Injected Drag 831cc
1980 Z1 Custom Frame Drag 1327cc
1981 Z50R Honda tow bike
1977 KZ650B1 w 750cc Spectre engine
1979 KZ650C3 w 831cc Hot Rod engine
1978 KZ650C2 w 762cc DFI project
1977 KZ650C1 stock restoration project
1978 KZ650B2 modified project
1978 KZ650B2 Injected Drag 831cc
1980 Z1 Custom Frame Drag 1327cc
1981 Z50R Honda tow bike
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13 May 2024 09:23It's a bargain compared to multiple dyno tuning sessions, or all the time I've already spent blindly swapping jets without quantitative data!Nice bit of kit but "a lot of coin" for something you would potentially use very infrequently unless you where running a shop (potentially once you have your jetting sorted it would live in a cupboard !!)
1990 Zephyr zr550 B1
Wiseco 615cc kit
zx550 cams
SPII ignition system
Kerker stainless steel race exhaust with 1.5" competition baffle
K&N Air Filter...
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zx550 cams
SPII ignition system
Kerker stainless steel race exhaust with 1.5" competition baffle
K&N Air Filter...
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