Need help leaning out fuel/air mixture
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02 Oct 2016 16:49Those was before I realized which carbs he had. Older VMs only have a drain plug. The tool post screws in in place of the drain plug.FaultedGeologist wrote:missionkz wrote: Are you using the stock fuel tank and existing fuel lines, with at least a half gallon of fuel in it? Or like me with single tube about the same length, holding it vertical to get the same aprox "head pressure" as a gas tank and filling it with a funnel, etc.
I have always wondered if this is the cause of my float issues. I built a stand for my Keihin 34 carbs, then created a page for it in the Tools area.
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I don't understand how that $12 for one tube linked above from Z1 would work. Where would the threads go, and why $12 each? Wouldn't you want 4 or 2 based on your # cylinders? I made the ones linked to in my tools post for a couple bone$.kaw-a-holic wrote: use one of these, worth every penny: www.z1enterprises.com/product/ZSM01-208
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Re: Need help leaning out fuel/air mixture
03 Oct 2016 13:02
Thanks fellas, this is all really helpful. Apparently I'm just not very good at this part or these carbs are just super finicky. It seems like any adjustment I make puts the fuel level to either extreme either too rich so it's pouring out the air jet or too lean so that the clear tube barely gets any fuel.
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Re: Need help leaning out fuel/air mixture
03 Oct 2016 13:11
The tang needs to be level. Bend the arms so it's close then the tangs are for fine adjustments.
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Re: Need help leaning out fuel/air mixture
03 Oct 2016 13:17
Sounds good, the PO had installed pods and got rid of the airbox. Should I put slightly more fuel in the bowls to account for this?
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Re: Need help leaning out fuel/air mixture
03 Oct 2016 13:35
NO it needs to be rejetted.
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Re: Need help leaning out fuel/air mixture
03 Oct 2016 19:18
So it looks like some of my overflow tubes are cracked badly enough for fluid to leak through. Would the cracks give me false readings on the clear tube test?
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Re: Need help leaning out fuel/air mixture
03 Oct 2016 19:21
They could. Try soldering them.
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04 Oct 2016 07:25 - 04 Oct 2016 07:31fatcat70 wrote: So it looks like some of my overflow tubes are cracked badly enough for fluid to leak through. Would the cracks give me false readings on the clear tube test?
You mean the vertical standpipe inside the bowl, correct? Yes, if they are cracked, and leak, you will never be able to set the fuel level properly. I haven't had much luck with soldering brass parts in bowls. I can solder the part perfectly, but another crack just shows up soon after. The culprit is probably alcohol in the gasoline. This was never a common problem until about 15 years ago.
Some people reported luck with sliding a sleeve over it.
You can buy fractional inch brass tubing at hobby stores. And usually you can even find metric tubing online. Cut it to the same length, Slide the sleeve over it and solder it. It needs to be sealed at the bottom, and only really at the bottom, to work, but that is a dangerous place to heat the brass because it could loosen the pipe in the bowl. Just be careful.
I wonder if there is a no-heat solution you could use, like a gasoline/alcohol proof epoxy?
Some have even reported success at using heat-shrink plastic tubing. But I don't know if that is a viable long-term solution.
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Re: Need help leaning out fuel/air mixture
04 Oct 2016 07:55
Perhaps take it along on a visit to the friendly local radiator repair shop and inquire as to the possibility of getting a light application of Red-Kote to the cracked area of the overflow tube, for maybe a few bucks or a couple of beers.
Or just purchase a quart of Red-Kote.
I'm uncertain as to whether or not Por-15 might withstand constant submersion in gasoline
The epoxy type products offered for fuel tank leak repair might work to seal the crack in an overflow tube, but are usually in a putty form that's more cumbersome to apply (such as Permatex's offering for fuel tank repair).
When properly applied , JBWeld has proven long term reliability while continuously submerged in gasoline. It has been used to make lasting repair of broken float towers.
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Or just purchase a quart of Red-Kote.
I'm uncertain as to whether or not Por-15 might withstand constant submersion in gasoline
The epoxy type products offered for fuel tank leak repair might work to seal the crack in an overflow tube, but are usually in a putty form that's more cumbersome to apply (such as Permatex's offering for fuel tank repair).
When properly applied , JBWeld has proven long term reliability while continuously submerged in gasoline. It has been used to make lasting repair of broken float towers.
Good Fortune!
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04 Oct 2016 22:08 - 04 Oct 2016 22:10Patton wrote: When properly applied , JBWeld has proven long term reliability while continuously submerged in gasoline. It has been used to make lasting repair of broken float towers.
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Would someone please explain "properly applied "?
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Re: Need help leaning out fuel/air mixture
05 Oct 2016 06:23
"Properly applied" means in strict accordance with the instructions provided by the product supplier.
For example, "improperly applied" could include a host of application screw-ups, such as out-lived shelf-life, insufficient mixing, excessive time lapse between mixing and application, preparation/cleanliness of part being repaired, insufficient set-up/drying time allowed, improper mixing ratio, and so on.
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For example, "improperly applied" could include a host of application screw-ups, such as out-lived shelf-life, insufficient mixing, excessive time lapse between mixing and application, preparation/cleanliness of part being repaired, insufficient set-up/drying time allowed, improper mixing ratio, and so on.
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Re: Need help leaning out fuel/air mixture
05 Oct 2016 06:27
I've had no luck with JB Weld and gas.
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