Mid range sucks

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27 Mar 2016 14:30 #717624 by mackinnon0909
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My slow acceleration (or lean as my tuning guide calls it) is good, starting from 2000rpm and accelerating up 1000rpm at a time to 50% full rpm range, no hesitation or surging. Mid range sucks, starting from 2000rpm, give her half throttle and she "sucks" for something, gas or air I don't know. Heavy acceleration is fine, full throttle from 2000rpm, slight hesitation through the mid then accelerates fine up to red line. Tried moving the pin e-clips to a richer setting (3 to 4), same problem. Try leaner maybe???

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27 Mar 2016 14:42 #717627 by mackinnon0909
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Mikuni Slide carbs on '78kz650sr

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27 Mar 2016 14:47 - 27 Mar 2016 14:47 #717628 by 650ed
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Are you using pod air filters? Ed

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27 Mar 2016 14:52 #717629 by mackinnon0909
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Not anymore. Two owners ago it had pods, Then the guy I bought it off put the original air box back on (which I prefer looks wise) but didn't set the carbs back to factory. All the jets should be right now.

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27 Mar 2016 14:57 #717630 by TexasKZ
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Seems like the problem is in the transition from the pilot jet to the jet needle. I wonder if the PO changed the needles and the taper is too abrupt for the stock setup?

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27 Mar 2016 15:05 #717632 by mackinnon0909
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That's possible, the needles are the only thing that I haven't swapped out completely.

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27 Mar 2016 15:29 - 27 Mar 2016 15:30 #717633 by 650ed
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mackinnon0909 wrote: Not anymore. Two owners ago it had pods, Then the guy I bought it off put the original air box back on (which I prefer looks wise) but didn't set the carbs back to factory. All the jets should be right now.


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The 1978 KZ650-SR came in two flavors – the KZ650-D1 and the KZ650-D1A. The D1 came with the Mikuni VM24SS carbs (24mm) and the D1A came with the Mikuni VM22SS carbs (22mm). The first image below will enable you to positively identify which carbs your bike has. It shows the extra orifice that the VM22SS carbs have and that the VM24SS carbs do not have.

The second image below shows the stock carb jetting data for the 1978 KZ650-D1 and KZ650-D1A carbs. This assumes your bike has the stock carbs without the accelerator pump. Ed

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27 Mar 2016 17:11 - 27 Mar 2016 18:05 #717647 by mackinnon0909
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Brass one I just removed and is stamped Y63, steel one was in a bag of spares that came with the bike and has no markings. steel one is a smaller diameter at the tip. Carbs are vm24ss.
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27 Mar 2016 17:20 #717649 by Nebr_Rex
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Raising the e-clip will lower the needle and lean out the mixture and visaversa.
You might want to check your needle jet.

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28 Mar 2016 07:34 #717733 by KZB2 650
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According to the chart the nettle clip should be in the 4th position (not the 3rd) from the factory (like shown on the brass nettle).... whats the main jet if pods were installed it could be too big ..... chart calls for a 102.5 for a stock exhaust and air box. Mine needs at least 4,000 or just over for it to really start getting on the pipe..... might be a little of what your feeling.

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28 Mar 2016 13:17 #717798 by mackinnon0909
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Swapped out the needles and moved the e-clips to the 2nd position and she seems to be running correctly now, thanks all for your ideas and tips! Now just need to figure out what happened to all my lights...

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