Running rough and now won't start

  • MaxKZ
  • MaxKZ's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • User
  • User
    Registered
  • Posts: 6
  • Thanks: 0

Re: Running rough and now won't start

15 Aug 2015 13:29
#685872
I tried the tank cap open test and still produces the same issue.. Starts like a gem, idles well, but lags big time when you open the throttle. Gas flows freely from the petcock and into the carb...so, no issue there.

Since things were running well, in terms of the carb settings... and it wasn't my points/condensers, I'm wondering if maybe there is some debris (aka rust) somewhere in the carb, blocking the proper amount of fuel from getting through?..I already pulled and cleaned the carbs but I didn't do a complete tear down.. My mistake!

I'll take LineArtist's suggestion and test my coils as well.

I'll update once I find some time!

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • Patton
  • Patton's Avatar
  • Offline
  • KZr Legend
  • KZr Legend
    Registered
  • Posts: 18568
  • Thanks: 2103

Re: Running rough and now won't start

15 Aug 2015 18:49 - 15 Aug 2015 18:50
#685897
If not already done, would assure that heads of screws attaching wires to coils' primary terminals aren't shorting against a coil mounting spacer.

In the following example, the metal spacer has been replaced with a non-conductive (plastic or nylon?) spacer.



Good Fortune! :)
1973 Z1
KZ900 LTD
Last edit: 15 Aug 2015 18:50 by Patton.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • SWest
  • SWest's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Sustaining Member
  • Sustaining Member
    Registered
  • 10 22 2014
  • Posts: 23574
  • Thanks: 2954

Re: Running rough and now won't start

15 Aug 2015 19:29
#685904
Two different bikes with sooty plugs and same symptoms. Have you checked the valve adjustments?
Steve

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • LineArtist
  • LineArtist's Avatar
  • Offline
  • User
  • User
    Registered
  • Posts: 302
  • Thanks: 35

Re: Running rough and now won't start

15 Aug 2015 20:25 - 15 Aug 2015 20:54
#685910
-
'79 KZ650B3 (stock)
'79 KZ650B3 (parts bike)
'06 HD 883R
Last edit: 15 Aug 2015 20:54 by LineArtist.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • MaxKZ
  • MaxKZ's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • User
  • User
    Registered
  • Posts: 6
  • Thanks: 0

Re: Running rough and now won't start

17 Aug 2015 18:44
#686144
Just got finished testing the coils and here's what I got:

primary coil resistance on both coils was 3.8ohms-4ohms as the manual said.
The secondary coil resistance (plug to plug on the same coil): one coil produced about 14k (manual said it should be 23k) and the other produced NOTHING.. At first , I'm thinking that's not possible, there would be SOME sort of reading. Correct me if I did it wrong.. set my multimeter to 200k Ohms and inserted a prong into each of the plug caps.

Does this make sense?

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • LineArtist
  • LineArtist's Avatar
  • Offline
  • User
  • User
    Registered
  • Posts: 302
  • Thanks: 35

Re: Running rough and now won't start

18 Aug 2015 13:05
#686240
MaxKZ wrote: The secondary coil resistance..... and inserted a prong into each of the plug caps.


Secondary coil reading must be taken with the caps OFF, there is a small amount of resistance designed into the cap. In your case your cap may not be connected. Unscrew, cut the wire about 1/4" if you have the length, spray both sides with Deoxit to clean the copper wires and reconnect.

Test the secondary circuit on the coil before putting the caps back on. A new set of caps sometimes makes a big difference especially if they are 30+ years old.
'79 KZ650B3 (stock)
'79 KZ650B3 (parts bike)
'06 HD 883R

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • LineArtist
  • LineArtist's Avatar
  • Offline
  • User
  • User
    Registered
  • Posts: 302
  • Thanks: 35

Re: Running rough and now won't start

18 Aug 2015 13:07 - 18 Aug 2015 13:14
#686241
MaxKZ a good thing to do is add your bike information, "77 KZ650 B1" to your profile signature. So that we know exactly what you are referring to. I know the coil reading numbers changed from 77 to 78-80 on the KZ650s.
'79 KZ650B3 (stock)
'79 KZ650B3 (parts bike)
'06 HD 883R
Last edit: 18 Aug 2015 13:14 by LineArtist.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • SWest
  • SWest's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Sustaining Member
  • Sustaining Member
    Registered
  • 10 22 2014
  • Posts: 23574
  • Thanks: 2954

Re: Running rough and now won't start

18 Aug 2015 16:13
#686266
Two different bikes with sooty plugs and same symptoms. Have you checked the valve adjustments

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • 650ed
  • 650ed's Avatar
  • Offline
  • User
  • User
    Registered
  • Posts: 15339
  • Thanks: 2833

Re: Running rough and now won't start

18 Aug 2015 16:20
#686268
What spark plugs are you using? If you're using plugs that are a heat range too cold you will experience fouling. Ed
1977 KZ650-C1 Original Owner - Stock (with additional invisible FIAMM horn)

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • LineArtist
  • LineArtist's Avatar
  • Offline
  • User
  • User
    Registered
  • Posts: 302
  • Thanks: 35

Re: Running rough and now won't start

18 Aug 2015 16:44 - 18 Aug 2015 16:52
#686272
NGK B7ES on my bike (factory spec), checked and adjusted valve shims first thing this season (3 were out of range).
'79 KZ650B3 (stock)
'79 KZ650B3 (parts bike)
'06 HD 883R
Last edit: 18 Aug 2015 16:52 by LineArtist.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • 650ed
  • 650ed's Avatar
  • Offline
  • User
  • User
    Registered
  • Posts: 15339
  • Thanks: 2833

Re: Running rough and now won't start

18 Aug 2015 17:06
#686273
LineArtist wrote: NGK B7ES on my bike (factory spec), checked and adjusted valve shims first thing this season (3 were out of range).

Yes, those plugs are the correct heat range. Ed
1977 KZ650-C1 Original Owner - Stock (with additional invisible FIAMM horn)

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • SWest
  • SWest's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Sustaining Member
  • Sustaining Member
    Registered
  • 10 22 2014
  • Posts: 23574
  • Thanks: 2954

Re: Running rough and now won't start

18 Aug 2015 19:12
#686291
swest wrote: Two different bikes with sooty plugs and same symptoms. Have you checked the valve adjustments

So the answer is yes.
Thank you.
Steve

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Moderators: Street Fighter LTD
Powered by Kunena Forum