Float Level and leak

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10 Jun 2013 12:20 #591581 by Spectre1982
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Locked my carbs in my vice and was checking the float level. When I first started to put gas in the line, the No. 4 carb overflowed and leaked through the main jet down towards the intake side. I also saw some gas coming from the overflow line on that side. I checked the float needles and all the tips look good. I can blow on the gas line and no air will pass through it when the bowls are full. I tried to replicate the leak and overflow, but it's not doing it now. Should I replace my float needles even though they are in good shape? Not sure why it overflowed on No. 4. Any advice would be appreciated.

All the float levels are in spec.

1982 Kawasaki KZ750 Spectre

1978 Kawasaki KZ200

1985 Yamaha XV1000 Virago



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10 Jun 2013 12:27 #591583 by CoolerKing
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how'd you verify your fuel height? the clear tube test?

1978 KZ650-C2
1976 KZ400D-3 (sold)

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10 Jun 2013 12:30 #591584 by Spectre1982
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Checked that floats were 21 mm from mating surface and followed up with the clear tube test.

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10 Jun 2013 12:43 #591586 by CoolerKing
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hmmm... if you can't replicate it maybe it was just a fluke, how's the pivot pin on that float? Could the float have been hung up causing the overflow?

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1976 KZ400D-3 (sold)
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10 Jun 2013 13:18 #591590 by baldy110
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You might have just had some crud under the needle and seat that was flushed out.
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10 Jun 2013 13:59 - 10 Jun 2013 14:00 #591604 by 650ed
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Fuel coming out of the overflow hose (the little hose on the bottom of the carb) is the common symptom of the 3 possible problems described below (this assumes you don’t have a float installed upside down). Remember – NO SMOKING or other activities that could ignite the fuel while working on carbs!

The brass overflow tube inside the carb bowl is damaged. When you remove the carb bowl you will see a brass tube attached inside and rising toward the top of the bowl. This is the overflow tube and it leads directly to the overflow nipple on the bottom of the carb. Normally, the fuel level within the bowl rises somewhat close to the top of this tube. If the tube becomes cracked or separates from the bottom of the carb bowl fuel will flow through it and out through the overflow hose. Checking the condition of the tube is very easy after you have removed the carb bowl from the carb. Simply hold the bowl level and fill it up near the top of the tube with water of alcohol and see if it leaks. A slight crack in the brass overflow tube can be difficult to find. You can connect a rubber tube to the overflow nipple, fill the bowl with water, put finger over the open end of the brass overflow tube and blow in the rubber end and look for bubbles. If it does the best remedy is to replace it although some folks have found creative ways to repair them.

The float valve is not sealing. This may be (and probably is) just a matter of some minor dirt in the float valve and is very simple to remedy and can be done with the carbs still on the bike. Turn off fuel; drain carb by loosening big brass screw near bottom; and remove the 4 little screws on the bottom of the carb bowl. This will enable you to remove the carb bowl. You will then see the float. If you carefully remove the float you will see a stubby little needle that mates with a brass orifice; together, these two pieces are the float valve. Assuming there is no obvious damage to the needle or seat, use a Q-tip and some carb cleaner to clean the seat of the orifice and the needle. Be careful not to bend the tang that is attached to the float. This tang is the piece that the bottom of the float valve needle rests upon, and it determines the fuel level in the bowl, so bending it will change the fuel level. With the float valve cleaned it should no longer leak. To prevent a reoccurrence a quality inline fuel filter should be installed between the fuel tank and carbs. If there was damage the needle and seat should be replaced as a set; they are available.

The fuel level is set too high. This condition occurs when someone has bent the float tang as mentioned above. This condition can be checked using what is referred to as the “clear tube test.” The test involves attaching one end of a clear piece of flexible tubing to the carb drain hole and holding the other end of the tube above the bowl/carb joint. When the fuel is turned on it should rise in the tube to a level 2.5 – 4.5 mm below the bowl/carb joint. If the fuel rises higher than that level it may run into the cylinders or over the upper end of the brass overflow inside the carb bowl (mentioned above) in which case it will run out the overflow hose. This condition is corrected by removing the float and gently bending the tang to raise the float valve needle position. Doing this may take several tries before achieving the desired fuel level.

Correcting each of these three conditions involves removing the carb bowl. This task can be made easier if a short screwdriver bit is used, and depending on which carb you are fixing a mirror may help you locate the screws on the bottom of the carb bowl. Also, it is not a bad idea to have a new carb bowl gasket available in case the old gasket is damaged while removing the carb bowl. Ed

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10 Jun 2013 15:37 #591631 by Spectre1982
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I took everything apart and there was a little bit of corrosion on the float pin. I'm going to go ahead and clean everything again since I've got it apart. I think that should take care of it.

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