Carb #4 spitting fuel intermittently

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31 May 2013 04:19 #590056 by DHshredder
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Recently carb 4 on my '82 KZ550 started leaking fuel intermittently through the overflow tube. It seemed to do it when the bike was warming up on choke at first but I would drain the bowl and tap it a bit and it that seemed to clear up the problem. I took off and cleaned the carbs and that seemed to make the issue worse. I ran the overflow tube off to the side of the engine so i could see what it was doing and it looks as though it dribbles fuel with quick intermittent bursts of fuel spewing out, loosely related to changes in engine speed. I'm not too familiar with working on carbs, so any help would be appreciated. I've read it could be float valves, but I want to be sure before I spend any money on parts. Also, could the setting of the pilot air screws be related in any way?

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Greg

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31 May 2013 09:57 #590076 by 650ed
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"could the setting of the pilot air screws be related in any way?"

I don't think so.

Fuel coming out of the overflow hose (the little hose on the bottom of the carb) is the common symptom of the 3 possible problems described below. Remember – NO SMOKING or other activities that could ignite the fuel while working on carbs!

The float valve is not sealing. This may be (and probably is) just a matter of some minor dirt in the float valve and is very simple to remedy and can be done with the carbs still on the bike. Turn off fuel; drain carb by loosening big brass screw near bottom; and remove the 4 little screws on the bottom of the carb bowl. This will enable you to remove the carb bowl. You will then see the float. If you carefully remove the float you will see a stubby little needle that mates with a brass orifice; together, these two pieces are the float valve. Assuming there is no obvious damage to the needle or seat, use a Q-tip and some carb cleaner to clean the seat of the orifice and the needle. Be careful not to bend the tang that is attached to the float. This tang is the piece that the bottom of the float valve needle rests upon, and it determines the fuel level in the bowl, so bending it will change the fuel level. With the float valve cleaned it should no longer leak. To prevent a reoccurrence a quality inline fuel filter should be installed between the fuel tank and carbs. If there was damage the needle and seat should be replaced as a set; they are available.

The brass overflow tube inside the carb bowl is damaged. When you remove the carb bowl you will see a brass tube attached inside and rising toward the top of the bowl. This is the overflow tube and it leads directly to the overflow nipple on the bottom of the carb. Normally, the fuel level within the bowl rises somewhat close to the top of this tube. If the tube becomes cracked or separates from the bottom of the carb bowl fuel will flow through it and out through the overflow hose. Checking the condition of the tube is very easy after you have removed the carb bowl from the carb. Simply hold the bowl level and fill it up near the top of the tube with water of alcohol and see if it leaks. If it does the best remedy is to replace it although some folks have found creative ways to repair them.

The fuel level is set too high. This condition occurs when someone has bent the float tang as mentioned above. This condition can be checked using what is referred to as the “clear tube test.” The test involves attaching one end of a clear piece of flexible tubing to the carb drain hole and holding the other end of the tube above the bowl/carb joint. When the fuel is turned on it should rise in the tube to a level 2.5 – 4.5 mm below the bowl/carb joint. If the fuel rises higher than that level it may run into the cylinders or over the upper end of the brass overflow inside the carb bowl (mentioned above) in which case it will run out the overflow hose. This condition is corrected by removing the float and gently bending the tang to raise the float valve needle position. Doing this may take several tries before achieving the desired fuel level.

Correcting each of these three conditions involves removing the carb bowl. This task can be made easier if a short screwdriver bit is used, and depending on which carb you are fixing a mirror may help you locate the screws on the bottom of the carb bowl. Also, it is not a bad idea to have a new carb bowl gasket available in case the old gasket is damaged while removing the carb bowl. Ed

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31 May 2013 11:00 #590090 by loudhvx
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To add to what Ed said, if the float needle has a wear ring around the tip that has a noticeable ridge, you may just want to replace the needle and seat.

Can get them here:
www.z1enterprises.com/ItemDetails.aspx?i...KZ550&item=KL18-4621

New ones may require new float level adjustment. Here is a preliminary setting before you add fuel:
home.comcast.net/~loudgpz/GPZweb/TK22mai...stmentsAndMaint.html

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03 Jun 2013 23:26 #590747 by DHshredder
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Well it turns out that the fuel level was set wayyyy too high, I got it back down and the problem magically disappeared! I think my APE cam chain tensioner is set right now as well as my cam chain neither sounds like a bucket of bolts nor is there a loud whirring sound, and my battery is no longer a dead one! I might actually be able to go ride now....

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03 Jun 2013 23:27 #590748 by DHshredder
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Very helpful, thanks very much for the info

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