Reconstituting Old Rubber Parts for your carbs.

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21 Jun 2010 11:03 #377279 by otakar
Yes you are reading this correctly. "Reconstituting Old Rubber Parts" for your carburetors.
Some of the guys around laugh at me that I like to Blow Up things with my Chemicals. ;) :blush: OK maybe sometimes things don't go quite as planed. (fortunately I haven't destroyed anything yet on any of my bikes) About a week ago there was a very nice post here about new rubber diaphragms for carburetor slides.
kzrider.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&...ew&catid=3&id=375201

In the time of this thread, I have discovered that I had a bunch of unusable slides because the rubber shrunk with age. At this point the diaphragms would not fit in the prescribed groves because of severe shrinkage. As demonstrated by this picture. The shrinkage is a good 5+%, rendering the slides JUNK.

74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000
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21 Jun 2010 11:04 - 21 Jun 2010 11:25 #377282 by otakar
Along with the shrinkage, the rubber got stiff, and was in danger of cracking. You can see in these pictures that the slide gos half way down into the pocket and is prevented from going farther by the stiff rubber.


74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000
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21 Jun 2010 11:14 #377285 by otakar
Since I had these "Junk" :angry: slides I figured that i had nothing to loose by experimenting. I decided to start mixing some of the chemicals and synthetic moisturizers to see if I can bring these back to life. After extensive submerged soaking and depredation tests. I came up with a solvent blend with moisturizers that completely reconstituted the rubber to like new condition with complete pliability and original size all reconstructed. (And- NO Peanut Oil is not in the blend) :ohmy: :woohoo: I have now been experimenting all week with this blend and have found Zero degradation of the rubber. I installed a set of "reconstituted" slides into my carbs and found a big difference. Now because the rubber is completely soft and pliable, There is no extra and uneven resistance created by the diaphragms and the response of the carburetors is much smoother.

74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000
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21 Jun 2010 11:17 #377286 by otakar
The old diaphragms drop right into the locating grove and the slides drop right down into the venturi because the rubber no longer provides any resistance.

74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000
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21 Jun 2010 11:21 #377287 by MFolks
Another chemical formulation for rubber restoration:

Successfully Resurrecting Old Rubber Parts
(Found on the internet)

This subject has been broached before but I am happy to report success in revitalizing old rubber.

I have been using a mixture of 30% wintergreen oil (methyl salicylate) and 70% xylene to restore old rubber parts and it works beautifully. This is the same ingredients and proportions for the commercial product Rubber Renue according to the MSDS sheets.

Wintergreen oil is analgesic and liniment for aching muscles and found in most drugstores, pharmacies, health food stores and co-ops.

I gently heated rock hard honda CB carb boots with a heat gun for 30 seconds and dropped them into mason jars with my solution for 12 hours at room temperature. They come soft, pliable and looking good. They have been out of solution for 48 hours now and are still soft and pliable. I soaked smaller rubber parts such as side panel grommets and there extremely soft and may need to soak for less time

1982 GPZ1100 B2
General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
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21 Jun 2010 11:21 #377288 by otakar
These things are literally like new.

Obviously this process will not help rubber that already has holes in it due to cracking, but it can bring to life any rubber that is still solid.

I will now also try this process on plastic used in the airbox boots, but I am confident that the results will be equally good.

If any one is interested you can PM me.

74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000
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21 Jun 2010 15:00 #377319 by hocbj23
And they will smell great too.;) bj

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21 Jun 2010 15:13 #377326 by otakar
Not in my case, since I am using chemical compounds which are used in the actual manufacture of rubber. Theres no Vick's Mentholated rub here. Mine will just smell like rubber and wont evaporated with extended use and heat and Gasoline.

74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000

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21 Jun 2010 17:59 #377379 by bountyhunter
Replied by bountyhunter on topic Reconstituting Old Rubber Parts for your carbs.
MFolks wrote:

Another chemical formulation for rubber restoration:

Successfully Resurrecting Old Rubber Parts
(Found on the internet)

This subject has been broached before but I am happy to report success in revitalizing old rubber.

I have been using a mixture of 30% wintergreen oil (methyl salicylate) and 70% xylene to restore old rubber parts and it works beautifully. This is the same ingredients and proportions for the commercial product Rubber Renue according to the MSDS sheets.

Yeah, thats the stuff we used on old tape deck drive belts and idler wheels. As I recall, it was a temporary perk up and did not last very long.

1979 KZ-750 Twin

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21 Jun 2010 18:10 #377386 by otakar
bountyhunter wrote:

MFolks wrote:

Another chemical formulation for rubber restoration:

Successfully Resurrecting Old Rubber Parts
(Found on the internet)

This subject has been broached before but I am happy to report success in revitalizing old rubber.

I have been using a mixture of 30% wintergreen oil (methyl salicylate) and 70% xylene to restore old rubber parts and it works beautifully. This is the same ingredients and proportions for the commercial product Rubber Renue according to the MSDS sheets.

Yeah, thats the stuff we used on old tape deck drive belts and idler wheels. As I recall, it was a temporary perk up and did not last very long.


Xylene will definitely swell rubber, but once it drys back out you are worse off than you were. I found some polymers which last almost as long as the original latex polymers that are in the original product.

74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000

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21 Jun 2010 21:12 #377458 by bountyhunter
Replied by bountyhunter on topic Reconstituting Old Rubber Parts for your carbs.
otakar wrote:

bountyhunter wrote:

MFolks wrote:

Another chemical formulation for rubber restoration:

Successfully Resurrecting Old Rubber Parts
(Found on the internet)

This subject has been broached before but I am happy to report success in revitalizing old rubber.

I have been using a mixture of 30% wintergreen oil (methyl salicylate) and 70% xylene to restore old rubber parts and it works beautifully. This is the same ingredients and proportions for the commercial product Rubber Renue according to the MSDS sheets.

Yeah, thats the stuff we used on old tape deck drive belts and idler wheels. As I recall, it was a temporary perk up and did not last very long.


Xylene will definitely swell rubber, but once it drys back out you are worse off than you were. I found some polymers which last almost as long as the original latex polymers that are in the original product.


Interesting. That would be the rubber fountain of youth if it can penetrate deeply and get through all the oxidized rubber.

1979 KZ-750 Twin

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22 Jun 2010 06:08 #377503 by otakar
As long as it has no cracks or tares. It can be hard and dry.

74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000

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