How important is that #2 vacuum plug?

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22 Dec 2009 13:01 #340293 by sakiguy
How important is that #2 vacuum plug? was created by sakiguy
On my carbs, there is suppose to be a plug on the vacuum tube by the #2 carb. I forgot to put it on on my first test ride after cleaning the carbs, syncing, and what not. I rode for like an hour.

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22 Dec 2009 13:12 #340297 by rstnick
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Get one on ASAP.
Without it would lean out that cylinder which could cause some problem, maybe even hole a piston. :ohmy:

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22 Dec 2009 13:15 #340298 by Jeff.Saunders
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Pull the spark plug for the #2 cylinder. It will be very white. The key is there MUST NOT be any aluminum metal specs on it. If there are, you have a bigger issue.

By running lean on that one cylinder, you could have caused the piston top to start to melt - and the first sign of that is those specs of aluminum on the spark plug.

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22 Dec 2009 19:56 - 22 Dec 2009 20:05 #340347 by sakiguy
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I put the plug back on. I rode about 28 miles like this.

I don't see any specs of aluminum on the spark plug but the little tip is white. Should I just change the whitish spark plug then?

Alright, this is what the #2 spark plug looks like right when I removed it to check. The tip is very white.

I will say that I did ride around after putting the plug back on before removing the spark plug and taking a picture. The bike was really riding nice. Feels very strong, and pulls. I also want to reiterate that the vacuum plugs on the #2 vacuum tube is a plug about the size of a valve stem cover. When I did ride without the plug it was about a 14 mile street ride going about 45mph...with a 10 minute stop...and then 14 miles back home.




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22 Dec 2009 21:38 #340353 by savedrider
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If you don't see any specs of aluminum then you are probably ok. I wouldn't change the plug. All you can do at this point is just keep riding it.

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22 Dec 2009 22:54 #340358 by Patton
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Is the spark plug factory specified heat range? :unsure:

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23 Dec 2009 00:33 #340364 by KZ250LTD
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Other than the leanness, that plug looks healthy enough.

Just as a preview of what can happen with a lean issue:






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23 Dec 2009 03:33 #340365 by sakiguy
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Oh man what a scary thought, I could of ruined my bike over this mistake. Riding with the plug back on yesterday, I did notice a huge performance improvement. The bike is running great now especially considering how it ran when I first got it. What a huge improvement by just cleaning the carbs/jets and giving the bike a carb sync. No more having to run with the choke on, no more stalls at idle, just smooth running, both on street and freeway. Too bad it is getting a bit too cold out to ride :angry:

On one note, I think I did have the idle adjustment screw set too high when I did run without that plug...so perhaps this created some kind of balance and saved that one piston from running to lean or whatever? Because when I put that vacuum plug back on I had to back down on the idle adjustment screw to get the idle right.

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23 Dec 2009 06:46 #340379 by Kawickrice
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KZ250LTD wrote:

Other than the leanness, that plug looks healthy enough.

Just as a preview of what can happen with a lean issue:






:S




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23 Dec 2009 07:16 #340391 by Jeff.Saunders
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slightly lean on the street isn't usually too bad. Very lean is...

It's when you are putting load on the engine for sustained periods when it can turn into a terminal problem.

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23 Dec 2009 11:56 #340411 by KZ250LTD
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Kawickrice wrote:

Tim what kind of motor got sacrificed in the pics? Total destruction, OUCH


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As Jeff said, it was jetted a little lean from the factory, I was just pushing it too hard for too long and it also had a few leaky gaskets = perfect storm. Went from 75mph to nothing in a very short period of time :blink:

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23 Dec 2009 12:45 #340417 by JR
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sakiguy wrote:

.........The bike is running great now especially considering how it ran when I first got it. What a huge improvement by just cleaning the carbs/jets and giving the bike a carb sync. No more having to run with the choke on, no more stalls at idle, just smooth running, both on street and freeway. Too bad it is getting a bit too cold out to ride :angry: .................quote]

Thats great news sakiguy. I have watched your posts here over the past few weeks and with each one you made progress. It must give you a great feeling of satisfaction that you learned this stuff and made the bike work and run the way it should.
Well done:)


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