Scratching my head. Help before I find my gun.

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14 Oct 2009 21:00 #327619 by Eldiablo
Ok I bought my bike from a close friend. He had wire guy build him this set of cv34's for the motor and mods on the bike. But here is my problem

it will idle with the choke pulled and then slowly pushed in. But if
you go half way it act like it leans out. I pulled them off and all the floats are set just below the seal tops. About 1/4 to 1/8 inch. I have balanced the carbs and the timing is set
spot on. I took apart the pit cock and cleaned it out. And also I have tried running a direct line from the tank to the carbs.

Realy I have a 9mm pointed at it as I type. Help is needed.

1978 kz650 with 81kz750 motor, dyna coils/pickup, 4/1 header, d&d pipe, pods, gsxr brake controls, airtech clipons, r1 taillight, and cafed out

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15 Oct 2009 04:56 #327647 by Old Man Rock
Replied by Old Man Rock on topic Scratching my head. Help before I find my gun.
And your jetting, pilot screw settings etc are... ?

Exhaust, stock or 4-1 header with pods....?

1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter

Phoenix, Az

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15 Oct 2009 05:22 - 15 Oct 2009 05:24 #327654 by Patton
If fuel was allowed into the freshly rebuilt carbs without going through a good accessory aftermarket inline filter, the carbs may have been instantly re-contaminated.

Many perfectly clean carbs have been instantly fouled by an initial onslaught of grit-laden or otherwise cruddy fuel.

Good Luck! :)

1973 Z1
KZ900 LTD
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15 Oct 2009 07:05 #327671 by Eldiablo
Replied by Eldiablo on topic Scratching my head. Help before I find my gun.
Old Man Rock wrote:

And your jetting, pilot screw settings etc are... ?

Exhaust, stock or 4-1 header with pods....?


see sig for mods on my bike.

And we did put on a new filter. Wire guy sent a new fuel line and filter with the new carbs.

1978 kz650 with 81kz750 motor, dyna coils/pickup, 4/1 header, d&d pipe, pods, gsxr brake controls, airtech clipons, r1 taillight, and cafed out

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15 Oct 2009 07:25 - 15 Oct 2009 07:26 #327676 by will61310
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I say shoot it, but please post a video...:)

...1980 LTD 1000...
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15 Oct 2009 08:03 #327680 by JR
For a 750/4 with pods, a 4->1 pipe and Keihin CV34 carbs your jetting should be between
Primary Main 62, Secondary Main 135
and
Primary main 70, Secondary main 140

If your jetting is either of these or in between then it should run ok and you should'nt have the problem you describe. Otherwise I would think there is some internal blockage. Those carbs have some tiny passages that I've had to poke out with fine wire or nylon line.

1980 kz750E1, Delkevic exhaust

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15 Oct 2009 08:50 #327686 by PLUMMEN
Eldiablo wrote:

Ok I bought my bike from a close friend. He had wire guy build him this set of cv34's for the motor and mods on the bike. But here is my problem

it will idle with the choke pulled and then slowly pushed in. But if
you go half way it act like it leans out. I pulled them off and all the floats are set just below the seal tops. About 1/4 to 1/8 inch. I have balanced the carbs and the timing is set
spot on. I took apart the pit cock and cleaned it out. And also I have tried running a direct line from the tank to the carbs.

Realy I have a 9mm pointed at it as I type. Help is needed.

i think you mean wiredgeorge,wireguy is my alter ego! :laugh:

Still recovering,some days are better than others.

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15 Oct 2009 08:53 #327689 by timebomb33
Replied by timebomb33 on topic Scratching my head. Help before I find my gun.
sounds like your problem is in the enrichner circuit. bad o-ring or just worn pistons who knows without seeing them personally

1973 z1 2-1974z1-a,2-1975z1-b dragbikes1015cc+1393cc, 1977kz1000,1978kz1000,1981kz1000j, 1997 zx-11, 2000 z12r,1428turbo nitrous pro-mod and a shit load of parts thats all for now leader sask.,CANADA
I THINK MY POWERBAND BROKE

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15 Oct 2009 10:23 #327702 by 650ed
"it will idle with the choke pulled and then slowly pushed in. But if you go half way it act like it leans out"

I don't understand. If the engine is cold you start it with the choke on then move it to what ever position it idles without overrevving. Then when it warms up you turn the choke off. Why would you need to operate the bike at half choke if it idles ok with the choke off?

1977 KZ650-C1 Original Owner - Stock (with additional invisible FIAMM horn)

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15 Oct 2009 11:18 - 15 Oct 2009 11:20 #327706 by Patton
Am less suspicious of the carbs, because they were professionally rebuilt by WG specifically for this particular bike, and installed with a new inlne filter.

Assuming there's an ample supply of good fresh fuel in the tank.

If not already done, would now also consider battery, spark quality and compression testing.

Would next check battery fluid levels, re-charge it, and check specific gravity. Assure terminal connections are clean and snug, including negative cable attachment to ground at rear of engine.

Ignition spark quality --- would remove spark plugs and visibly inspect spark quality on each cylinder.

While spark plugs are out, would perform compression test. Remember to hold throttle full open during testing.

And install four brand new spark plugs. Guessing NGKB8ES but might be B7ES.

Given properly-timed quality spark and acceptable compression (with correct cam timing), plus ample clean fresh fuel flow into carbs, and clear free-flowing air supply, diagnosis might thereafter point to carb internals. However, I would remain exceedingly reluctant to disturb the rebuild settings as provided by WG.

Good Luck! :)

1973 Z1
KZ900 LTD
Last edit: 15 Oct 2009 11:20 by Patton.

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