High idle after warmup

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12 Aug 2009 06:03 #313331 by Summerheat
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Got my KZ-Gal back together after a valve/shim job and carb rebuild.

Sync process went well getting all 4 dialed in around 23, and she runs through low/mid range & high power bands wonderfully. (actually pulls better then she ever has)

She starts better then ever and plugs look a wonderful white/tan. I have new vacuum caps on her and new carb holders

When cold her idle is perfect. Once up to operating temps idle climbs to 2000 with idle screw backed off all the way. The throttle pulley is all the way against return stop. Idle/air is 1 3/4 out from slight seat.

Any and all suggestions appreciated for this fast idle.

Thanks

1976 KZ900-A4

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12 Aug 2009 06:23 #313335 by bill_wilcox100
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Hi Summerheat,
Here are two possibilities that come to mind:
-1) Air leak... at carb Holders, at Vacuum Caps, in Vacuum line to Petcock...
-2) One or more carb slides was set just a little too high during carb sync, is OK during Choke operation but is open just a little too much when hot.

Best of success. :)
Bill

1977 KZ650-B1 (Stock)
Upgrades:
- Dyna S Electronic Ignition (DS2-2)
- Dyna 3 Ohm Coils (DC1-1)
- Coil Repowering Mod
- Progressive Springs Front & Rear
- Saddlemen Seat Cover
- New Metallic Red Re-Paint & Repro Badges.
Montreal, Canada

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12 Aug 2009 07:10 #313345 by Russ Jackson
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What kind of carbs? My smoothbores will not idle below about 1800 with the Kerker and jetting set up I have...Russ

1976 KZ 900 B1 29 smoothbores, Kerker, Lester Mags
2008 Kawasaki Concours 14 abs

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12 Aug 2009 07:12 - 12 Aug 2009 07:13 #313347 by Summerheat
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vm26's / Kerker meg with 2.0 baffle & pods / 120 mains and rest of carb internals stock.

Had normal idle before work and new parts. Looks like I will be testing for air leaks and getting my Morgan Carbtune back out.

1976 KZ900-A4
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12 Aug 2009 07:14 - 12 Aug 2009 07:16 #313349 by Old Man Rock
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With that set up, almost guaranteed new jets will be required... Assuming you haven't already done so....

1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter

Phoenix, Az
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12 Aug 2009 07:16 #313351 by Summerheat
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OMR, I edited as I forgot to mention main jet change.... Are you thinking something else needed?

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12 Aug 2009 10:15 #313379 by Summerheat
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More info... been thinking ( yeap it's dangerous)

I bench synced these carbs with the wire method. Now if I did not have idle screw turned in any during this process would it cause my inability to lower idol? Or would my manometer sync take care of this.

or stated another way

Should I have had idol screw in enough to open carbs before closing down to wire thickness?

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12 Aug 2009 11:26 - 12 Aug 2009 11:29 #313391 by bill_wilcox100
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IMHO, that's exactly the type of question that should be asked at this point... good stuff!

Remember, the nano/gauge sync only gets the slides properly adjusted with respect to each other... right. Then each one is sucking in by the same amount.

Again IMHO, in other words, it prevents any one carb (and therefore its corresponding cylinder) from not pulling enough or pulling too much. This in turn puts less stress/imbalance on any one section of the crank shaft preventing harmful harmonics (stresses) being built up.

That's what makes a really well Sync’d engine feel soooooo smooth. ;)

Best of success. :)
Bill

1977 KZ650-B1 (Stock)
Upgrades:
- Dyna S Electronic Ignition (DS2-2)
- Dyna 3 Ohm Coils (DC1-1)
- Coil Repowering Mod
- Progressive Springs Front & Rear
- Saddlemen Seat Cover
- New Metallic Red Re-Paint & Repro Badges.
Montreal, Canada
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