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22 Aug 2006 09:11 #71568
by Lorcan
760cc - 8.69@162mph
810cc, 211mph www.750turbo.com
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As a little sideline to my 750 dabblings a GPz1100 motor is coming my way. Now I don't know too much about the big engines, but I'd like to start collecting parts to turn it into a monster turbo motor. The turbo parts themselves (headers, turbo, EFI, plenum etc) are easy enough, but what would be on your wish list of internal motor components? I'm looking at 1200cc minimum, 400hp+, so let rip with your fantasy shopping list please...
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22 Aug 2006 10:27 #71583
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im not sure about the j/gpz series of motors but heres a partial list of what is slowly progressing on my 1385 turbo motor welded crank,heavy duty 2nd gear with undercut trans,braced maincap,blue printed oil pump with rear pickup,heavyduty studs top-bottem,bigblock with 1385 bore:evil: ,heavily breathed on dual plugged gpz head,cams are still being debated,on of course theres that rajay turbo mounted in front of motor(got that idea from your bike! :evil:
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22 Aug 2006 16:03 #71649
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paging fastest z1,paging doctor z1!:evil:
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23 Aug 2006 06:27 #71782
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lorcan,
this gonna be a race-only engine, or street/race, or just street?
--r
this gonna be a race-only engine, or street/race, or just street?
--r
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23 Aug 2006 07:29 #71790
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What, no CVT, dynamic cam phasing, or ceramic bearings?
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23 Aug 2006 09:07 #71817
by Lorcan
760cc - 8.69@162mph
810cc, 211mph www.750turbo.com
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Race only, drag & top speed (1.5 mile run).
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23 Aug 2006 12:59 #71875
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gonna run efi or a draw-thru?
silly question... i'm talking to lorcan. 8^)
i'd intercool, or run methanol on this, more displacement, probably about 8/8.5:1 c/r, not a ton of head work, but larger valves, good cams(no suggestions, sorry), larger a/r turbine, hell larger turbine in general.
how much boost? 20-30psi?
basic lower end work, more for durability, and simplicity for those 1.5 mile top speed runs. lighten the crank a bit, good fasteners.
i'd set up the injection like we're gonna do with wires street bike. one big plenum, and a larger automotive throttle body. 550-800cc fuel injectors. maybe an extra pair that come on under high boost for supplemental fueling(like my subaru ej20g type ra engine had).
what's the timeline look like?
meaning, when can we see this beast? what chassis is the going in?
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silly question... i'm talking to lorcan. 8^)
i'd intercool, or run methanol on this, more displacement, probably about 8/8.5:1 c/r, not a ton of head work, but larger valves, good cams(no suggestions, sorry), larger a/r turbine, hell larger turbine in general.
how much boost? 20-30psi?
basic lower end work, more for durability, and simplicity for those 1.5 mile top speed runs. lighten the crank a bit, good fasteners.
i'd set up the injection like we're gonna do with wires street bike. one big plenum, and a larger automotive throttle body. 550-800cc fuel injectors. maybe an extra pair that come on under high boost for supplemental fueling(like my subaru ej20g type ra engine had).
what's the timeline look like?
meaning, when can we see this beast? what chassis is the going in?
--r
198o kz1ooo Bravo Four
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24 Aug 2006 09:07 #72116
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760cc - 8.69@162mph
810cc, 211mph www.750turbo.com
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I basically just want to swap the 1100 motor for the 750 motor once it's all built, with a bigger turbo and injectors etc obviously, and just duplicate what I've done with the 750. So race gasoline, intercooled, street tyre, 30psi. It's the "basic bottom end work" I'm stuck on as I don't know my way around the roller bearing motors, plus any reliability issues with going 1200cc and larger.
No timeline, I just want to start collecting suitable parts (cheap) as and when they come up.
No timeline, I just want to start collecting suitable parts (cheap) as and when they come up.
760cc - 8.69@162mph
810cc, 211mph www.750turbo.com
www.stormdragbike.com
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24 Aug 2006 11:50 #72187
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well in my experiance bigger tends to be better since the bigger motor can make same power with less boost and lower rpms ,smaller cams which is gonna make life easier on motor.
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24 Aug 2006 13:00 #72206
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Lorcan;
which Gpz motor are you geting?? 81-82 or 83-84
83-84 would be the best IMHO it has a stronger tranny and 18mm piston pins not to mention the better combustion chamber and larger valves.
you will need to go with shim on bottom lifters if its 81-82,a lot of turbo kaws use the true J model cams or for big horse power the 84 gpz cams.
the head work should be minimal as you are going to be force feeding it
weld the crank,back cut the tranny,install maincap support,overshift bushing,big cylinder and case studs,I would use a seperate oiling system for the turbo(low oil pressure),you may have to double plug the head if you are going to run high boost or use a mag/cdi box
you can go out to 1166 with the stock sleeves or 1261 with the stock block w/OS sleeves, prally needs to be "O" ringed with a copper gasket or one of MTC's power ring head gaskets.
sounds like a killer project
which Gpz motor are you geting?? 81-82 or 83-84
83-84 would be the best IMHO it has a stronger tranny and 18mm piston pins not to mention the better combustion chamber and larger valves.
you will need to go with shim on bottom lifters if its 81-82,a lot of turbo kaws use the true J model cams or for big horse power the 84 gpz cams.
the head work should be minimal as you are going to be force feeding it
weld the crank,back cut the tranny,install maincap support,overshift bushing,big cylinder and case studs,I would use a seperate oiling system for the turbo(low oil pressure),you may have to double plug the head if you are going to run high boost or use a mag/cdi box
you can go out to 1166 with the stock sleeves or 1261 with the stock block w/OS sleeves, prally needs to be "O" ringed with a copper gasket or one of MTC's power ring head gaskets.
sounds like a killer project
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24 Aug 2006 15:45 #72246
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1980 KZ750-H1 (slightly altered)
1987 KZ1000-P6 "Ponch"
1979 GS1000 "Dadzuki"
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Ever heard of Extrude Hone abrasive flow machining? You should get that done to the head! It's like... perfect porting & polishing, takes all the guesswork out of the job.
And what about tungsten disulfide coating? Microfininishing? Cryogenic treatment? There's a company called Micro Blue that does amazing things for bearing surfaces and moving parts. If you really want to get crazy with this engine you'll send it to them. With all your gears microfinished, tungsten disulfide coated ceramic bearings in microfinished races, etc etc and you start to see some very substantial power gains and enhanced component longevity due to vastly decreased internal friction. They even do drive chains and sprockets and wheel bearings...
www.microblueracing.com/custom_shop/cs_cool_stuff/crank_800.php
The big drawback is that Extrude Hone charges like $430 to port a four cylinder motorcycle head, so it's out of my reach for the forseeable future...
And what about tungsten disulfide coating? Microfininishing? Cryogenic treatment? There's a company called Micro Blue that does amazing things for bearing surfaces and moving parts. If you really want to get crazy with this engine you'll send it to them. With all your gears microfinished, tungsten disulfide coated ceramic bearings in microfinished races, etc etc and you start to see some very substantial power gains and enhanced component longevity due to vastly decreased internal friction. They even do drive chains and sprockets and wheel bearings...
www.microblueracing.com/custom_shop/cs_cool_stuff/crank_800.php
The big drawback is that Extrude Hone charges like $430 to port a four cylinder motorcycle head, so it's out of my reach for the forseeable future...
1980 KZ750-H1 (slightly altered)
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24 Aug 2006 15:51 #72249
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someday i will be able to afford my kz habit.
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my wish list? a turbo unit i can actually afford!then i would like to ride wireman's or yours to see how much it will scare the hell out of me.
someday i will be able to afford my kz habit.
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