compression losses of the cylinders Z 650 b2

More
18 Jun 2022 04:24 #869005 by dmax68
on my 1978 Kawasaki z650 b2 I measured the compression losses of the cylinders to check the health of the engine.compression losses are 10% in cylinders 1 and 4 and 7.5% in cylinders 2 and 3.I can say that the engine is still in good health and that the 34,000 km marked are real?

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
18 Jun 2022 06:14 #869009 by Nessism
Replied by Nessism on topic compression losses of the cylinders Z 650 b2
Compression is not measured in % of loss.  Are you referring to a leak down check?  And regardless, it's not possible to judge mileage based on compression.
The following user(s) said Thank You: 650ed

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
18 Jun 2022 16:36 - 18 Jun 2022 16:43 #869031 by dmax68
I am convinced that between the cylinder, piston and valves there cannot be a perfect watertight seal, in fact on new engines there is always about 5% compression loss, so by measuring the compression loss you can evaluate the health of the engine, in fact with this system it is possible to understand based on the measurements if there are problems at the level of piston rings or valves.
ultimately this method is more reliable than the compression measurement.
Last edit: 18 Jun 2022 16:43 by dmax68.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
18 Jun 2022 20:40 - 18 Jun 2022 20:41 #869032 by TexasKZ
Replied by TexasKZ on topic compression losses of the cylinders Z 650 b2
Yes. In the U.S. that is called a leakdown test. It can indicate the relative health of certain components, but is not indicative of mileage. A low mileage engine that has been abused can leak more than a high mileage engine that has been well cared for.

1982 KZ1000 LTD parts donor
1981 KZ1000 LTD awaiting resurrection
2000 ZRX1100 not ridden enough
Last edit: 18 Jun 2022 20:41 by TexasKZ.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
19 Jun 2022 01:26 - 19 Jun 2022 01:29 #869035 by Wookie58
Replied by Wookie58 on topic compression losses of the cylinders Z 650 b2

Yes. In the U.S. that is called a leakdown test. It can indicate the relative health of certain components, but is not indicative of mileage. A low mileage engine that has been abused can leak more than a high mileage engine that has been well cared for.
Agree completely, VW and Audi vehicles in the 80's used to use oil like crazy for the first 10k mls then hardly use a drop even at 100k mls and more once everything was "bedded in" (the owners handbook quoted 1 ltr per 1000km as being ok  )
Last edit: 19 Jun 2022 01:29 by Wookie58.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
19 Jun 2022 04:39 #869038 by Nessism
Replied by Nessism on topic compression losses of the cylinders Z 650 b2

Yes. In the U.S. that is called a leakdown test. It can indicate the relative health of certain components, but is not indicative of mileage. A low mileage engine that has been abused can leak more than a high mileage engine that has been well cared for.
Agree completely, VW and Audi vehicles in the 80's used to use oil like crazy for the first 10k mls then hardly use a drop even at 100k mls and more once everything was "bedded in" (the owners handbook quoted 1 ltr per 1000km as being ok  )

One of high school in 1979 I pumped gas for a period of time, and when a VW Rabbit (Golf) would come in I knew that I could sell them a quart of oil.  These cars were not low mileage per say, but they weren't beaters either.  I don't know why they burned so much oil, I just know they did.
The following user(s) said Thank You: Wookie58

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • hardrockminer
  • Offline
  • Sustaining Member
More
19 Jun 2022 04:48 #869039 by hardrockminer
Replied by hardrockminer on topic compression losses of the cylinders Z 650 b2
Dmax68, I think you are generally correct, but first of all you need to know the compression when the bike is new.  Secondly, you need to measure it under exactly the same conditions every time.  This means temperature, air pressure and humidity, etc must be the same.  Lastly, you need to use the same gauge to measure, as there is considerable difference from gauge to gauge.  Ultimately I don't believe it's possible to be more accurate than +- 5% unless all conditions above are satisfied.

I have several restored bikes along with a 2006 Goldwing with a sidecar. My wife has a 2019 Suzuki DR 650 for on and off road.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
19 Jun 2022 05:37 #869041 by dmax68
I don't have a tool to check the compression and I needed to make sure the valves were tight, so the only way to check was to pump 80 psi air when the piston is up and the valves are closed.
in these conditions the instrument was reading between 72 and 74 psi so I can be sure that the valves are well closed.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
19 Jun 2022 06:52 #869044 by TexasKZ
Replied by TexasKZ on topic compression losses of the cylinders Z 650 b2
How quickly did the pressure go down?

1982 KZ1000 LTD parts donor
1981 KZ1000 LTD awaiting resurrection
2000 ZRX1100 not ridden enough

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
19 Jun 2022 14:22 #869065 by dmax68
when I put pressure on the combustion chamber it did not go beyond 72/74 psi and the air supplied was at 80 psi.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • hardrockminer
  • Offline
  • Sustaining Member
More
19 Jun 2022 15:00 #869071 by hardrockminer
Replied by hardrockminer on topic compression losses of the cylinders Z 650 b2
If you don't have a tool to measure compression what are you using to measure 72/74 psi?  

I have several restored bikes along with a 2006 Goldwing with a sidecar. My wife has a 2019 Suzuki DR 650 for on and off road.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
19 Jun 2022 21:09 - 19 Jun 2022 21:22 #869085 by TexasKZ
Replied by TexasKZ on topic compression losses of the cylinders Z 650 b2
If both gauges are accurate, then that amount of leakage is not bad and it should be very easy to hear where it is escaping. 
This video shows how a leakdown test works. You do not have to remove the carburetors or exhaust like he did to make the video .

 

1982 KZ1000 LTD parts donor
1981 KZ1000 LTD awaiting resurrection
2000 ZRX1100 not ridden enough
Last edit: 19 Jun 2022 21:22 by TexasKZ.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Powered by Kunena Forum