Can cover vs cam cap bolts.

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01 Jun 2021 15:50 - 01 Jun 2021 17:08 #849437 by hardrockminer
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I found the source.  It wasn't the service notices.  It was John Brookes. 

In the section on cylinder heads (P 49 of his latest edition) he has a note 1 that says there was a shortage of the cam cap bolts during early production of the Z1B, from engine S/N 46751 to 53907.  They subbed with parkerized (black) bolts P/N 92003-177, using 2/3 of the recommended torque for normal bolts.  John says they reverted back to the original bolts with 53908 but I suspect it might have been a little later.  One of my Z1B's has engine S/N 55471, and while I don't remember that being the source of my collection I can't think of any other possibility.

73Z1...this is consistent with what you said about the early Z1B.

Edited to add....the lower torque on the parkerized bolts suggests you can go lower on standard bolts as well.  What's good for the goose is good for the gander.  
 

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01 Jun 2021 17:47 - 01 Jun 2021 19:37 #849448 by Mikaw
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Edited to add....the lower torque on the parkerized bolts suggests you can go lower on standard bolts as well.  What's good for the goose is good for the gander.  


 
I’m not an engineer and a didn’t stay at a holiday inn but Would the diameter of the washer head on the Parkerized bolt allow for lower torque spec. 

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01 Jun 2021 18:40 #849453 by hardrockminer
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They have the same head size.  But the parkerized bolt has a brittle surface due to the chemical process that turned it black.  Higher torque means more tension on the shaft, which brings it closer to its failure stress.  I don't know what that stress would be but some engineer at KHI would have done the calcs to come up with the revised spec.  The probably failure mode is from vibration fatigue.

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01 Jun 2021 19:36 #849456 by Mikaw
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They have the same head size.  But the parkerized bolt has a brittle surface due to the chemical process that turned it black.  Higher torque means more tension on the shaft, which brings it closer to its failure stress.  I don't know what that stress would be but some engineer at KHI would have done the calcs to come up with the revised spec.  The probably failure mode is from vibration fatigue.
Then a lower torque could be used on the chrome bolts. Spec is 7-9 ft lbs. 2/3 would be around 5ft lbs. could save from stripped threads.

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01 Jun 2021 19:51 #849457 by Dr. Gamma
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Every 900/1000 I ever assembled I have always used 96 inch pounds/8 foot pounds on my cam caps using the 92003-092 chrome bolts.

I have never stripped the threads out of any cam cap since back in '74 when I started working on Z1/Kz900/1000 motors.

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01 Jun 2021 20:08 #849458 by Mikaw
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A Snap On inch pound clicker torque wrench is the only type of torque wrench I have ever used. Every few years I would send it back to Snap On for a check up!!!
Theres a key point. Good equipment, the knowledge to use them correctly, and the maintenance of them. 

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