'80 kz440 A1, starting issues, died while riding
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Re: '80 kz440 A1, starting issues, died while riding
13 Aug 2017 20:02
Nebr_Rex:
Took apart the petcock and it looked good!
I have attached pictures of the fuel filter, both sides, and the diaphragm, both sides and the middle.
Everything looked okay....hm..
I cleaned everything out while I had it apart.
I did notice a weird mesh circle...material...thing...in the place where the vacuum valve sits. Upon cleaning I accidentally blew this out...I don't know if it was meant to be there or not, but it's gone! Might have to order a new one if it's important
I replaced the petcock, but putting fuel in the tank, fuel was leaking from the 2 bolts that hold the petcock assembly, and I think I tightened them enough, maybe the gasket got ruined in that time.
I'll continue on it tomorrow, think I'm getting close!
Took apart the petcock and it looked good!
I have attached pictures of the fuel filter, both sides, and the diaphragm, both sides and the middle.
Everything looked okay....hm..
I cleaned everything out while I had it apart.
I did notice a weird mesh circle...material...thing...in the place where the vacuum valve sits. Upon cleaning I accidentally blew this out...I don't know if it was meant to be there or not, but it's gone! Might have to order a new one if it's important
I replaced the petcock, but putting fuel in the tank, fuel was leaking from the 2 bolts that hold the petcock assembly, and I think I tightened them enough, maybe the gasket got ruined in that time.
I'll continue on it tomorrow, think I'm getting close!
1980 KZ 440 LTD Model A
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Re: '80 kz440 A1, starting issues, died while riding
13 Aug 2017 20:15 - 13 Aug 2017 20:19
No eBay APP ID and/or Cert ID defined in Kunena configurationThe 2 washers that go on the bolts that secure the petcock to the fuel tank are suppose to be nylon, not steel. Nylon is what the original washers were made of. If your washers are steel they will probably continue to leak no matter how tight you make them. Ed
See part marked 13 (92022-183) in www.powersportswarehouse.com/p/Kawasaki#...40-A1-1980/080124E-6 .
Then for closeup picture of those washers see:
See part marked 13 (92022-183) in www.powersportswarehouse.com/p/Kawasaki#...40-A1-1980/080124E-6 .
Then for closeup picture of those washers see:
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Re: '80 kz440 A1, starting issues, died while riding
14 Aug 2017 18:34
That is your vacuum 'pump'.
Does it run if the petcock is left on prime [PRI]
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Does it run if the petcock is left on prime [PRI]
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Re: '80 kz440 A1, starting issues, died while riding
14 Aug 2017 18:38
650ed:
It indeed has nylon washers :]
Note: no more leak, just made bolts tighter
Still fuel problem so....
Tested the vacuum on the petcock. I took the vacuum tube that connects to the carb and sucked on it. I did not get gas in my mouth or a clear passage. I got immediate resistance which means petcock working, correct?
Reinstalled
I then pulled the fuel line off the carb and into a bucket. Started the bike, engine turned over, but no fuel came out! It was just dripping barely.
So I took apart the petcock again, and still nothing wrong.
I am able to run the bike perfectly fine leaving the petcock in the 'prime' position.
Maybe there is a vacuum leak somewhere else?
Once I open the throttle the engine goes out.
Maybe check float levels?
Thanks again to everyone, step by step!
It indeed has nylon washers :]
Note: no more leak, just made bolts tighter
Still fuel problem so....
Tested the vacuum on the petcock. I took the vacuum tube that connects to the carb and sucked on it. I did not get gas in my mouth or a clear passage. I got immediate resistance which means petcock working, correct?
Reinstalled
I then pulled the fuel line off the carb and into a bucket. Started the bike, engine turned over, but no fuel came out! It was just dripping barely.
So I took apart the petcock again, and still nothing wrong.
I am able to run the bike perfectly fine leaving the petcock in the 'prime' position.
Maybe there is a vacuum leak somewhere else?
Once I open the throttle the engine goes out.
Maybe check float levels?
Thanks again to everyone, step by step!
1980 KZ 440 LTD Model A
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Re: '80 kz440 A1, starting issues, died while riding
14 Aug 2017 18:40
Yes I am able to run it in prime :]
But as soon as I open the throttle the engine goes out as I said below.
Sorry, I didn't see your post before I uploaded mine
But as soon as I open the throttle the engine goes out as I said below.
Sorry, I didn't see your post before I uploaded mine
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Re: '80 kz440 A1, starting issues, died while riding
14 Aug 2017 18:51
No problem,
In pic 4 there is suppose to be a round rubber washer that acts as a valve.
Do you have it?
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In pic 4 there is suppose to be a round rubber washer that acts as a valve.
Do you have it?
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81 GPz1100
79 KZ1000st daily ride
79 KZ1000mk2 prodject
78 KZ650sr
78 KZ650b
81 KZ750e
80 KZ750ltd
77 KZ400/440 cafe project
76 KZ400/440 Fuel Injected
www.dotheton.com/index.php?threads/dr-je...air-of-kz400s.39120/
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81 GPz1100
79 KZ1000st daily ride
79 KZ1000mk2 prodject
78 KZ650sr
78 KZ650b
81 KZ750e
80 KZ750ltd
77 KZ400/440 cafe project
76 KZ400/440 Fuel Injected
www.dotheton.com/index.php?threads/dr-je...air-of-kz400s.39120/
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Re: '80 kz440 A1, starting issues, died while riding
14 Aug 2017 19:04
Yep, just didn't include it in the picture
I'm going to check out the floats later, maybe tomorrow, it wouldn't hurt.
My service manual says to use a special fuel gauge tool which I don't have. Says the fuel level is to be 3-5mm but I don't know where that would be in relation to
I've seen the clear tube method and actually taking the carb apart and checking the float until the needle seats barely.
Would you happen to know the height the floats are supposed to be? I've heard in the 9mm range for some bikes
I'm going to check out the floats later, maybe tomorrow, it wouldn't hurt.
My service manual says to use a special fuel gauge tool which I don't have. Says the fuel level is to be 3-5mm but I don't know where that would be in relation to
I've seen the clear tube method and actually taking the carb apart and checking the float until the needle seats barely.
Would you happen to know the height the floats are supposed to be? I've heard in the 9mm range for some bikes
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Re: '80 kz440 A1, starting issues, died while riding
14 Aug 2017 19:19newkzrider18 wrote: ...service manual says ... the fuel level is to be 3-5mm but I don't know where that would be in relation to
I've seen the clear tube method and actually taking the carb apart and checking the float until the needle seats barely.
Would you happen to know the height the floats are supposed to be? I've heard in the 9mm range for some bikes
3-5mm below bowl gasket
use clear tube test to assure fuel level is within specs (float height merely regulates fuel level)
Would you happen to know the height the floats are supposed to be? -- Float height is supposed to be whatever height results in the correct fuel level.
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Re: '80 kz440 A1, starting issues, died while riding
14 Aug 2017 19:28
Patton:
Okay! Taking the carb apart for the third time haha
Will check in tomorrow with good news hopefully...
Okay! Taking the carb apart for the third time haha
Will check in tomorrow with good news hopefully...
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Re: '80 kz440 A1, starting issues, died while riding
14 Aug 2017 19:47 - 14 Aug 2017 19:48
Disassembly is not required for the clear tube test.
Would perform the clear tube test on each carb before doing any carb disassembly.
Might discover that the fuel levels are okay.
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Would perform the clear tube test on each carb before doing any carb disassembly.
Might discover that the fuel levels are okay.
Good Fortune!
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Re: '80 kz440 A1, starting issues, died while riding
15 Aug 2017 16:37
Upon doing the clear tube test I found that my left carb measured at 9mm and my right at 12mm from the bottom of the carb body.
My service manual specifies that it must be 3-5mm.
I was able to adjust the tang of the float for the right assembly, but it seems that no matter how much I move the tang down of the left assembly the fuel level remains at 9mm.....
I checked that the spring/compressor cylinder head thing on the top of the float needle moved up and down smoothly, and that the float needle slid in and out of it's seat smooth. I also checked the pin that holds these all together.
So it's not like anything is blocking it since fuel is coming in too I think...
Anyone got ideas?
My service manual specifies that it must be 3-5mm.
I was able to adjust the tang of the float for the right assembly, but it seems that no matter how much I move the tang down of the left assembly the fuel level remains at 9mm.....
I checked that the spring/compressor cylinder head thing on the top of the float needle moved up and down smoothly, and that the float needle slid in and out of it's seat smooth. I also checked the pin that holds these all together.
So it's not like anything is blocking it since fuel is coming in too I think...
Anyone got ideas?
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