Deck and sleeve height, Question
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06 May 2015 14:58 - 06 May 2015 14:59 #670905
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Bruce
1977 KZ1000A1
2016 Triumph T120 Bonneville
Far North East Metro Denver Colorado
Deck and sleeve height, Question was created by missionkz
I'm perplexed here. I dug out my overbore KZ1000 1015cc cylinder block today (cold and rainy in Denver for days).
Thinking maybe I'll pull the top off the engine this weekend and fix an oil leak that has been bugging me for a while and maybe even install the "big" bore kit.
It has been bored, honed and fitted to a set of Wiseco 1075cc 72mm pistons.
After reviewing it it noticed that one sleeve flange sits about .0075" to .0085" above the deck!!
It is not loose....
See the picture:
I am greatly concerned about this and am wondering if I should take this somewhere and have it ground, heated reseated, smacked in with a big hammer or what the hell to do if something needs to be done.
I don't want to do this twice after discovering a blown head gasket in the adjacent cylinder in a few weeks... etc.
Comments please?
Thinking maybe I'll pull the top off the engine this weekend and fix an oil leak that has been bugging me for a while and maybe even install the "big" bore kit.
It has been bored, honed and fitted to a set of Wiseco 1075cc 72mm pistons.
After reviewing it it noticed that one sleeve flange sits about .0075" to .0085" above the deck!!
It is not loose....
See the picture:
I am greatly concerned about this and am wondering if I should take this somewhere and have it ground, heated reseated, smacked in with a big hammer or what the hell to do if something needs to be done.
I don't want to do this twice after discovering a blown head gasket in the adjacent cylinder in a few weeks... etc.
Comments please?
Bruce
1977 KZ1000A1
2016 Triumph T120 Bonneville
Far North East Metro Denver Colorado
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06 May 2015 16:45 #670919
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Replied by SWest on topic Deck and sleeve height, Question
They are a semi press fit. You could try tapping it down with a block of wood. It might have been bumped around. The 1075 seems like a good idea.
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06 May 2015 17:36 #670922
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1980 KZ650 F1
ZX750A1 motor.
Wiseco 810cc kit.
Zukiworks racing ported head.
VM 29 smooth bore's.
Dyna 2000 Ign. w/Dyna mini coil's
APE cylinder stud's and nut's.
APE valve spring's.
APE Track King clutch.
V/H KZ1000 sidewinder.
3.5x18 laced to a KZ1000 disk hub.
150/60/18 Shinko 006 Podium.
63" wheel base.
Replied by zukdave on topic Deck and sleeve height, Question
find a way to support the block so the liner are not touching and
bake at 350 degrees about 15 min. and then lightly tap the liner with a brass hammer.
I've done this with the block upside down to remove liner's and have seen them fall out of the block
like Steve said their a light press fit.
bake at 350 degrees about 15 min. and then lightly tap the liner with a brass hammer.
I've done this with the block upside down to remove liner's and have seen them fall out of the block
like Steve said their a light press fit.
1980 KZ650 F1
ZX750A1 motor.
Wiseco 810cc kit.
Zukiworks racing ported head.
VM 29 smooth bore's.
Dyna 2000 Ign. w/Dyna mini coil's
APE cylinder stud's and nut's.
APE valve spring's.
APE Track King clutch.
V/H KZ1000 sidewinder.
3.5x18 laced to a KZ1000 disk hub.
150/60/18 Shinko 006 Podium.
63" wheel base.
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07 May 2015 05:38 #670975
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I had the same thing happen this winter. Was washing my block in warm water when a sleeve just fell out in the sink. I put it back in, but could not get it to go back in all the way, and had the same problem you show in the image.
I finally put the block in the oven like zukdave says there, pulled out the sleeve, inspected and cleaned the recess area of the block, put it back in hot, and the lip disappeared.
If getting it hot does not let it slide down all the way easily, I suggest you pull it out and ensure nothing is trapped under the sleeve flange. If its hot, it really should slide in flush without having to wail on it too much.
If all that fails, then measure the recess in the block & compare to the flange of the sleeve. If that's mismatched, then your off to a machinist.
Cheers
Chris
I finally put the block in the oven like zukdave says there, pulled out the sleeve, inspected and cleaned the recess area of the block, put it back in hot, and the lip disappeared.
If getting it hot does not let it slide down all the way easily, I suggest you pull it out and ensure nothing is trapped under the sleeve flange. If its hot, it really should slide in flush without having to wail on it too much.
If all that fails, then measure the recess in the block & compare to the flange of the sleeve. If that's mismatched, then your off to a machinist.
Cheers
Chris
1977 KZ 1000-A
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07 May 2015 06:07 - 07 May 2015 06:09 #670980
by 531blackbanshee
skiatook,oklahoma 1980 z1r,1978 kz 1000 z1r x 3,
1976 kz 900 x 3
i make what i can,and save the rest!
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i've had sleeves fall out while boring them.
now i support each sleeve individually in the boring bar fixture while they are being bored to insure they don't move while machining.
they are a very lite fit,as has been mentioned.
i have a press so the first thing i would do is put a little pressure on it and see if it moved if not i would do like chconger said and pull it and inspect.
prolly just got bumped around and will go right back.
imh,
leon
now i support each sleeve individually in the boring bar fixture while they are being bored to insure they don't move while machining.
they are a very lite fit,as has been mentioned.
i have a press so the first thing i would do is put a little pressure on it and see if it moved if not i would do like chconger said and pull it and inspect.
prolly just got bumped around and will go right back.
imh,
leon
skiatook,oklahoma 1980 z1r,1978 kz 1000 z1r x 3,
1976 kz 900 x 3
i make what i can,and save the rest!
billybiltit.blogspot.com/
www.kzrider.com/forum/5-chassis/325862-triple-tree-custom-work
kzrider.com/forum/5-chassis/294594-frame-bracing?limitstart=0
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07 May 2015 11:48 #671013
by missionkz
Bruce
1977 KZ1000A1
2016 Triumph T120 Bonneville
Far North East Metro Denver Colorado
Replied by missionkz on topic Deck and sleeve height, Question
Thank you for the replies... after tapping it a few times with my 2lb, lead BB filled plastic hammer... no luck.
I'm afraid to hit it too hard for fear of driving the others up... I just haven't secured a good support system yet,
So, I will try the oven thing a little later today and report back.
I'm afraid to hit it too hard for fear of driving the others up... I just haven't secured a good support system yet,
So, I will try the oven thing a little later today and report back.
Bruce
1977 KZ1000A1
2016 Triumph T120 Bonneville
Far North East Metro Denver Colorado
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07 May 2015 16:04 #671053
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Bruce
1977 KZ1000A1
2016 Triumph T120 Bonneville
Far North East Metro Denver Colorado
Replied by missionkz on topic Deck and sleeve height, Question
All good.... got it a little hot... tapped it a bit and it popped right down flush!!
Bruce
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Far North East Metro Denver Colorado
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07 May 2015 16:56 #671063
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Sweet!!!! This was a very informative thread
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