Rpm jump at 6k

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30 Apr 2015 20:22 #670199 by New 750
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Hello all, possibly a dumb question, at fifth gear going at highway speed, if I twist the throttle all the way rpm will creep slowly to just past 6k then rev fast to past 7k, it's hard to explain the engine speed will increase as well but I am puzzled if it's the clutch slipping? Or that's like the engines power band? It will come close to 8k then move slowly to top speed 110 per gps. If it was the clutch slipping wouldn't it do it on lower gears? It only doese this when rpm is just past six thousand. Possibly the main jet taking over? I can hammer on it in first and second and it pulls hard no slipping feeling, my clutch is perfectly adjusted per manual, I found a kit online for $114 for all new Springs and friction plates, but I don't wanna wast the cash if this is normal. What is a good way to determine a worn clutch? Thanks alot, Nathan.

1977 kawasaki KZ750

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30 Apr 2015 23:25 - 30 Apr 2015 23:31 #670224 by missionkz
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I have no idea if that rpm test you performed means anything.... but, once the clutch starts slipping.... they usually stay slipping at full power in a high gear:
To really find out, remove the covers, release mechanisms, springs ....take out all the clutch plates and steel plates and examine them.... and measure the thickness as per the manual, check for warpage on a flat plate .
No...? Uninterested in doing right?
OK maybe this is rough on the clutch but when the bike is good and hot, see if you can take off quickly from a dead stop in 3 or 4 gear... I would think it should just kill the motor... if it slips ... that's worn out.
best take it apart and have the new parts ready.

Bruce
1977 KZ1000A1
2016 Triumph T120 Bonneville
Far North East Metro Denver Colorado
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01 May 2015 05:36 #670242 by 650ed
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If the engine speed increases rapidly but the motorcycle does not accelerate proportionally the clutch is slipping. Ed

1977 KZ650-C1 Original Owner - Stock (with additional invisible FIAMM horn)
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01 May 2015 21:55 #670357 by TexasKZ
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On the other hand, if at WOT and 6,000 rpm, the tach needle suddenly flies toward the redline and the front wheel comes off the ground and there arises a deafening racket as the motorcycle tries to rip your arms off as it obscures your neighborhood in blue smoke, then you must have a 1975 750H2!!!
:silly: :woohoo: :blink:

1982 KZ1000 LTD parts donor
1981 KZ1000 LTD awaiting resurrection
2000 ZRX1100 not ridden enough

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02 May 2015 08:49 - 02 May 2015 08:57 #670376 by Patton
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New 750 wrote: ...at fifth gear going at highway speed, if I twist the throttle all the way rpm will creep slowly to just past 6k then rev fast to past 7k, it's hard to explain the engine speed will increase as well but I am puzzled if it's the clutch slipping? ...If it was the clutch slipping wouldn't it do it on lower gears? ...clutch is perfectly adjusted per manual...What is a good way to determine a worn clutch? ....


Where "perfectly adjusted per manual" includes proper clutch push-rod adjustment, and not slipping due to using the wrong type oil, or glazed for whatever reason -- indicates replacement needed of the drive plates (aka friction plates or lined plates).

Good Fortune! :)

1973 Z1
KZ900 LTD
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02 May 2015 09:45 #670379 by SWest
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My Z1 doesn't really start making ponies until it reaches 5000 RPM and it gets stronger through the red line. Stock it was supposed to make 82 HP at 8500 RPM in 903 trim. Being I have 1X cams and a 1015 over bore, I'm getting a lot more than that. If you aren't feeling a increase in power when it revs, the clutch is slipping. :( If you are, it's the power band kicking in. :woohoo:
Steve

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02 May 2015 11:12 #670387 by zukdave
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Ape clutch's work great. I run the extra plate KZ1000 kit
in my GPz750 motor.
kzzone.com/clutches.html

1980 KZ650 F1
ZX750A1 motor.
Wiseco 810cc kit.
Zukiworks racing ported head.
VM 29 smooth bore's.
Dyna 2000 Ign. w/Dyna mini coil's
APE cylinder stud's and nut's.
APE valve spring's.
APE Track King clutch.
V/H KZ1000 sidewinder.
3.5x18 laced to a KZ1000 disk hub.
150/60/18 Shinko 006 Podium.
63" wheel base.

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02 May 2015 18:02 - 02 May 2015 18:03 #670440 by loudhvx
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Like Mission says, the clutch slippage will first be noticed in high gears. That's when the clutch has the least leverage against rotating the wheel, so that's when it slips first.

Check adjustments per the manual before tearing things open.
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03 May 2020 21:31 #824920 by Wafflez
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I have an 84 kz550 that dose the same thing. It's not a clutch problem I don't think. All be cruzin around 70mph and just ease the throttle past 6k and within a few mph it will jump up to 7k. You can't hear it in the engine but you can see it on the tach. It happens pretty consistent to so I don't think it's a short.

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04 May 2020 14:14 #824966 by F64
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Could your ignition advance weights be sticking up to 6k then become unfrozen and give you all your advance at once?

81-KZ440-D2.
Louis Dudzik's GM HEI ignitor conversion installed 2015 s3.amazonaws.com/gpzweb/Ignition/GPZgmHEImod.html
Motogadget m-unit blue installed 2017.
LIC, NY

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04 May 2020 14:47 #824967 by TexasKZ
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If the engine does not increase in rpm along with the tachometer, then it is likely to be an electrical gremlin of some sort. Have you tried the diagnostics listed in the factory service manual?

1982 KZ1000 LTD parts donor
1981 KZ1000 LTD awaiting resurrection
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