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Overheating or oil loss or both
03 Mar 2015 19:30
Here is a picture of one of my stock Pistons. Are these scuffs from overheating or oil loss or both? How do I prevent this in the future? I change my oil every 2000 miles, have a oil cooler installed (was installed before-may not be effective?). I'm going on a 1300 mile trip at the beginning of May so wondering if a new cooler is required as it is going to be run long and hard.
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Re: Overheating or oil loss or both
03 Mar 2015 20:03
Doesn't look good. Any mods? Pods and a header mean it could be running lean. K&N's don't filter out dirt as well as the stock filter so that could be a factor if applicable.
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Re: Overheating or oil loss or both
03 Mar 2015 21:37
Sloppy fit? Detonation? Not high compression. Shouldn't need a cooler.
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Re: Overheating or oil loss or both
03 Mar 2015 22:14 - 03 Mar 2015 22:15
These were the old pistons from the kz1000 build project that is now complete (see build thread). I was talking some friends at the bar about piston scuffing. One used to race in Europe and said that higher up piston scuffing is generally a heat issue and lower scuffing is from oil deprivation. I didn't think that made any sense but I am usually dull when it comes to mechanics. Now that it has the RS34s i dont think i could make the stock airbox work (i dont even have one). The previous owner didn't seem to care for it as there was a great deal of wear on the cam lobes. Oil passages looked clean when rebuilt. If running a 1075 it shouldnt need an oil cooler Steve? Def not detonation, compression was within spec before rebuild (bottom of limit but not sure of number now).
*all the pistons have these scuffs
*all the pistons have these scuffs
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Re: Overheating or oil loss or both
04 Mar 2015 04:46
Id say it suffered from neglect from previous owner.As far as the oil cooler goes Id say it depends on your area and the weather you ride in .

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Re: Overheating or oil loss or both
04 Mar 2015 05:37 - 04 Mar 2015 05:40DobbinsCMA wrote: These were the old pistons from the kz1000 build project that is now complete (see build thread). I was talking some friends at the bar about piston scuffing. One used to race in Europe and said that higher up piston scuffing is generally a heat issue and lower scuffing is from oil deprivation. I didn't think that made any sense but I am usually dull when it comes to mechanics. Now that it has the RS34s i dont think i could make the stock airbox work (i dont even have one). The previous owner didn't seem to care for it as there was a great deal of wear on the cam lobes. Oil passages looked clean when rebuilt. If running a 1075 it shouldnt need an oil cooler Steve? Def not detonation, compression was within spec before rebuild (bottom of limit but not sure of number now).
*all the pistons have these scuffs
I'd get an air box. This is what I did with my 33's and silicon hose.
My stock Z1 air box wouldn't work so I got a KZ 900 air box, opened up the holes to fit larger boots I made out of silicon hose.
You have an oil cooler. I'd use it. My 903 barrels use to over heat with the 1015 kit and when I had a oil problem, I bought KZ 1000 barrels and pistons on eBay. Tight fit but the KZ barrels cool better. With the 903's, I hear pinging when it got hot and had to use premium gas. The KZ set up isn't as tempermental. I have stock KZ pistons in it waiting to buy one 10.25 Wiseco piston to replace the one I lunched. My fault. I didn't clean the viewing window and ran it dry. Sh*t.
I was burning oil due to bad valve seals and "Bone head" drove it home. STUPID.

All it took was carb cleaner, Q tips and 20 minutes to clean it.

I lost my adapters for my cooler in the fire but will put one on when I can.
BTW, with the KZ set up and 10.25 pistons, I was still able to run regular gas.
If the cam lobes were worn, the PO didn't change or use good oil. I'd bet piston slop was there too.
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Re: Overheating or oil loss or both
04 Mar 2015 07:46
What is piston slop caused by?
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Re: Overheating or oil loss or both
04 Mar 2015 08:04
Too loose inside the bore. I think the previous poster was right. Neglect. In any case, if your bore was fitted correctly, it won't happen again. Love to see pics of your build.
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Re: Overheating or oil loss or both
04 Mar 2015 08:30
I've seen piston scuffing like that when the owner didn't let the engine warm up before running it hard. I always try to go easy untill everything is up to temp and stable.
Now that you have a fresh engine you may want to think about using synthedic motor oil after you brake in the rings. I use Redline 10w-40 in my FJ1200 (which gets its oil very hot) and have had good results. The oil use went from a qt. every 2500 miles to just a few oz. and the shifting stayed crisp untill the next oil change.
Now that you have a fresh engine you may want to think about using synthedic motor oil after you brake in the rings. I use Redline 10w-40 in my FJ1200 (which gets its oil very hot) and have had good results. The oil use went from a qt. every 2500 miles to just a few oz. and the shifting stayed crisp untill the next oil change.
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Re: Overheating or oil loss or both
04 Mar 2015 10:55
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There are pics there. Also I haven't updated my website but there will be pictures from my May trip from Tampa to Madison Wi. Stops in Nashville, Chicago, and maybe Milwaukee.
There are pics there. Also I haven't updated my website but there will be pictures from my May trip from Tampa to Madison Wi. Stops in Nashville, Chicago, and maybe Milwaukee.
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