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Smoking exhaust
28 Dec 2014 13:11
I have a 1978 KZ1000 LTD and I had a full vance and hines exhaust installed. It is my dads bike but I keep it and maintain it for the most part. I noticed it smokes bad on start up but stops after bikes ran for a few miles. Looking into it further I noticed that I am leaking a very small amount of oil leaking from where the header meets the exhaust can. Anyone have any input of the problem.
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Re: Smoking exhaust
28 Dec 2014 13:20
Sounds (to me) like you've got seeping valve guide seals...
BTW, did you rejet when the V&H exhaust was installed? What exhaust was replaced with the V&H? Stock or another 4-1?
BTW, did you rejet when the V&H exhaust was installed? What exhaust was replaced with the V&H? Stock or another 4-1?
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Re: Smoking exhaust
28 Dec 2014 14:53
The bike had a stock exhaust and my dad had some guy put a 4:1 vance&hines exhaust on it and thats all he did. Bike ran like crap so he brought it to me and I installed k&n air filter pods and had a friend tune the carbs. He said it had adjustable jets or something like that. I am not familiar with carb bikes. My dad ended up giving me the kz1000 now I'm just trying to get it running perfect. It runs good for now but smokes. It also looks like it has a seal leak on the left side of motor. Adding pics. How hard are the seals to fix?
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Re: Smoking exhaust
28 Dec 2014 14:54
In exhaust pic the small drops of oil are coming from the seem where the exhaust can comes to the header.
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28 Dec 2014 15:01 - 28 Dec 2014 15:02That is the classic symptom of leaking exhaust seals. They are butyl rubber and go through severe cold-hot-cold cycles every time the engine is run so they eventually harden up and don't seal as well anymore. Classic problem on air cooled engine because the valves get VERY hot. Do a top end job (seals and lap valves) and replace with VITON seals and they will last a lot longer.FireMedic wrote: I noticed it smokes bad on start up but stops after bikes ran for a few miles.
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28 Dec 2014 15:39FireMedic wrote: In exhaust pic the small drops of oil are coming from the seem where the exhaust can comes to the header.
You need to find where the oil is coming from. Drops on the floor can't do this. Please get down there, feel around and see if you can discover the point of origin... and let us know what you discover.
I'm wondering if this is not just fuel, from the carb overflow tubes.(?)
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83' KZ750-F1 LTD [clymers] (Kay)
82' KZ1100-D1 Specter (another project)
78' KZ650-B2a (J&H, A Project)
91' KZ1000-P (P = parts)
83' KZ750-F1 LTD [clymers] (Kay)
82' KZ1100-D1 Specter (another project)
78' KZ650-B2a (J&H, A Project)
91' KZ1000-P (P = parts)
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Re: Smoking exhaust
28 Dec 2014 17:04
If you have a leak in the front of engine, look where the Tach cable meets the cylinder head. This is a common issue and is prone to a oil leak.
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Thanks for the info. Tomorrow I will look into it more and start ordering parts. I will reply with what I find.
Once again thanks
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Re: Re:Smoking exhaust
19 Jan 2015 22:41
Any update? My kz650 leaks oil right where the muffler n pip meet. Right by the oil pan but I can't find the leak source.
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Re: Smoking exhaust
20 Jan 2015 07:44 - 20 Jan 2015 07:46FireMedic wrote:Attachment IMG_2305.jpg not found
Thanks for the info. Tomorrow I will look into it more and start ordering parts. I will reply with what I find.
Once again thanks[/quote
Get a side cover dude. :laugh:
The oil coming around the left side is a classic example of the cam chain galley O ring being broken. It always seems to come around the left side, could never figure out why. The exhaust gaskets are copper and they can seep oil. That's not your problem. The early KZ 1000's had steel valve guides and were notorious for smoking at start up and fouling plugs. The stock seals get hard and leak because of exhaust gasses getting to them.
Here's what happens;
Exhaust seals fail
Exhaust gasses fill the top end over heating it causing the other rubber components to harden and fail.
The O ring around the cam chain galley hardens and breaks.
Bad valve guide seals generally cause smoke at start up but clears once warmed up. They can cause fouled plugs. If the smoking lasts longer than that, rings are indicated as well.
Time to pull the head. Depending on the condition of the guides,valves, seats, cylinders and your wallet, you may be able to get away with new seals, valve lap and rings.
The cam chain is another matter. This is no where to cheap out. If the rollers or guides are hard and or worn out, replace them. A broken cam chain WILL destroy a engine in a heart beat. I and a few others have been through this. It's no fun.
Gaskets and hardware;
I use one piece head gaskets. I've found the after market O ring in their sets don't last. I've re used a Kawasaki O ring but it too failed after a while. If you go two piece, spend the extra money and buy the OEM O ring not NOS. They are 30/40 years old and unreliable.
Put up pics as you go and we all will be happy to coach you as you progress.
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You will find the Liska cam chain parts are 1/2 the price and will last much longer than stock if they will fit your engine.
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Re: Smoking exhaust
20 Jan 2015 08:30swest wrote: ...
Exhaust seals fail
Exhaust gasses fill the top end over heating it causing the other rubber components to harden and fail....
:huh: Not quite following this.
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Re: Smoking exhaust
20 Jan 2015 08:50Patton wrote:swest wrote: ...
Exhaust seals fail
Exhaust gasses fill the top end over heating it causing the other rubber components to harden and fail....
:huh: Not quite following this.
Good Fortune!
With the 4/1 exhaust the pressure is more or less constant. Hot gasses can be pushed past the guides, bad oil seals and into the head. There is no vent so the heat is trapped in the top end where it cooks everything especially rubber. The cam gears/sprockets are rubber dampened. They harden then come apart as a result. When this happens it's apparent by the discoloration in the exhaust area. I've thought about tapping and installing a vent but it isn't a problem in a healthy engine.

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