84 gpz 750 non turbo head on a 82 kz 750 block?

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04 Dec 2014 19:03 - 04 Dec 2014 19:05 #655383 by rssuby2001
Replied by rssuby2001 on topic 84 gpz 750 non turbo head on a 82 kz 750 block?
Last time i had it apart i do remember that, I agree it is not good to guess, all this work will be for my first full season of track days and cant wait, just want the motor to be reliable. Any opinions on the chain tension?

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04 Dec 2014 19:07 - 06 Dec 2014 18:11 #655384 by Nessism

zukdave wrote: Part 12053 is the chain guide that fit's in the valve cover.
With out it you can't degree the cam's.
www.partzilla.com/parts/search/Kawasaki/...TENSIONER/parts.html


It's just a slipper. It keeps the chain from slapping the cover. It does nothing to the chain tension. With the cams installed you can lay the over over the top of the head and the slipper block doesn't compress the chain.

Edit: I was wrong about the above. The rub block in the cover contacts the chain more than I first thought.
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04 Dec 2014 19:19 #655386 by rssuby2001
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Well this Sunday I will be taking the top end apart, when I get the other cover i will take some pics and post what i find

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04 Dec 2014 19:31 #655389 by LarryC

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Tyrell Corp wrote: There was a rumour that the 82 R1 heads were hand ported from the factory, but it might just be urban myth.


I believe this is true. There were photos in one of the bike mags back in the day, and a statement from Kawasaki clarifying that the port work is done at the factory. This is doubly easy to understand while restoring the head on my '81 750E2 and seeing how crappy the casting and machine work was in the ports. The short side radius had a sharp edge where the port was cut to accept the valve seat, and excess material around the seat in the bowl area. I took a die grinder and smoothed out these sharp edges on my engine with only a minimum of work.

Some before and after photos...

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The factory hand blended the seats to the port runners. It as nothing elaborate . That was considered a big deal at the time but was more marketing BS than it was beneficial to flow improvements. If that's a GPz head measure up the intake valve and post back if you could ....

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04 Dec 2014 19:43 #655391 by Nessism

LarryC wrote: The factory hand blended the seats to the port runners. It as nothing elaborate . That was considered a big deal at the time but was more marketing BS than it was beneficial to flow improvements. If that's a GPz head measure up the intake valve and post back if you could ....


It's not a GPz head, just a regular KZ750E2 head. Valve sizes are 34/30.

The valve pockets were choked with excess material from when the seats were installed. If nothing else it makes me feel better to smooth everything out.

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04 Dec 2014 19:45 #655392 by rssuby2001
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I have my 82 gpz head off I'll post some pics and measure the valve, this weekend

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05 Dec 2014 04:42 #655398 by zukdave
Get the tensioner from APE

1980 KZ650 F1
ZX750A1 motor.
Wiseco 810cc kit.
Zukiworks racing ported head.
VM 29 smooth bore's.
Dyna 2000 Ign. w/Dyna mini coil's
APE cylinder stud's and nut's.
APE valve spring's.
APE Track King clutch.
V/H KZ1000 sidewinder.
3.5x18 laced to a KZ1000 disk hub.
150/60/18 Shinko 006 Podium.
63" wheel base.

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05 Dec 2014 04:56 #655399 by rssuby2001
Replied by rssuby2001 on topic 84 gpz 750 non turbo head on a 82 kz 750 block?
Thanks, all ready have their studs and nuts in the block, wasnt sure at the time if that manual tensioner was needed, I'll pick one of those up.

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06 Dec 2014 12:39 #655494 by zukdave

Nessism wrote:

zukdave wrote: Part 12053 is the chain guide that fit's in the valve cover.
With out it you can't degree the cam's.
www.partzilla.com/parts/search/Kawasaki/...TENSIONER/parts.html


It's just a slipper. It keeps the chain from slapping the cover. It does nothing to the chain tension. With the cams installed you can lay the over over the top of the head and the slipper block doesn't compress the chain.


Because the chain is not straight between the cam's it arch's downward
with out the guilde adjusting the tensioner will pull the chain straight retarding the intake cam.
Degreeing the intake cam like that when you loosen the tensioner to install the cover
the guilde will arch the chain and advance the intake cam.
You don't degree KZ1000 cam's with out the center roller right ?

1980 KZ650 F1
ZX750A1 motor.
Wiseco 810cc kit.
Zukiworks racing ported head.
VM 29 smooth bore's.
Dyna 2000 Ign. w/Dyna mini coil's
APE cylinder stud's and nut's.
APE valve spring's.
APE Track King clutch.
V/H KZ1000 sidewinder.
3.5x18 laced to a KZ1000 disk hub.
150/60/18 Shinko 006 Podium.
63" wheel base.

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06 Dec 2014 12:43 #655495 by kawi810
when i degree my cams in i use a cut up valve cover to keep the correct tension on the chain.it is more accurate .

original owner of a 1984 gpz 750
1985 turbo 750 stock, being restored.
1984 gpz 750 with 810 cc wiesco's megacycle cams(471-10) 34 mm flatslides v&h pipe ported head dyna ignition. bottom end, crank case from turbo 750 and sprockets.

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06 Dec 2014 12:56 #655498 by kawi810
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original owner of a 1984 gpz 750
1985 turbo 750 stock, being restored.
1984 gpz 750 with 810 cc wiesco's megacycle cams(471-10) 34 mm flatslides v&h pipe ported head dyna ignition. bottom end, crank case from turbo 750 and sprockets.

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06 Dec 2014 12:57 #655499 by kawi810

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original owner of a 1984 gpz 750
1985 turbo 750 stock, being restored.
1984 gpz 750 with 810 cc wiesco's megacycle cams(471-10) 34 mm flatslides v&h pipe ported head dyna ignition. bottom end, crank case from turbo 750 and sprockets.
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