1978 kz 1000 won't start

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22 Oct 2013 00:06 #610766 by Linc
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Hey guys,

Just picked up a 1978 kz 1000 today. It was not started for a couple years. The carbs have been cleaned, I'm getting spark at the points and at the plugs it cranks fine but wont start. Gonna replace the plugs tomorrow to see if that helps. I also noticed I can shift to first but cant engage any other gears.
Does anyone have a manual for this bike. Any help is appreciated as I'm in Barbados and technical help is limited.

Thanks

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22 Oct 2013 00:24 #610769 by 650ed
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Your bike has a lockout in the transmission that prevents it from being upshifted when sitting still, so that is normal.

When you try to start it remember:

Key on.
Gas on "Prime" if your petcock is vacuum actuated.
Kill switch on "Run."
Choke on.
DO NOT touch the throttle.
Battery needs to be fully charged - do NOT jump start the bike from any other vehicle that has its engine running or from a battery charger.
Try using the kick starter rather than the electric starter. Very often that will start the engine easier because the battery power can all go to the coils rather than being used for the electric starter.

Ed

1977 KZ650-C1 Original Owner - Stock (with additional invisible FIAMM horn)

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22 Oct 2013 00:43 #610771 by Linc
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Thanks Ed,

There are 3 ports on the petcock. 2 of them go to the carbs but I don't know where the other goes. it didn't have a line on it. The electric starter is engaging and turning the engine over. The kill switch is on run and the key is on. I get a faint spark on all 4 plugs.

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22 Oct 2013 08:46 #610781 by dkoz
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my 78 only has 2 ports..not sure about the 3rd one ..do you have a clear fuel line so you can see if your getting fuel? pull fuel inrichner/choke all the way up.mine will only start like this.do you have fresh fuel in the tank? if you have fuel filters are they blocked??.welcome to the site the guys here will more than likely get you up and going...do you have any photos?lets see what it looks like.

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1978 Z1R D1
1978 A2

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22 Oct 2013 11:33 #610813 by Patton
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Patton wrote:

Linc wrote: Hey guys,

Just picked up a 1978 kz 1000 today. It was not started for a couple years. The carbs have been cleaned, I'm getting spark at the points and at the plugs it cranks fine but wont start. Gonna replace the plugs tomorrow to see if that helps. I also noticed I can shift to first but cant engage any other gears.
Does anyone have a manual for this bike. Any help is appreciated as I'm in Barbados and technical help is limited.

Thanks

Hello, Linc, and WELCOME to KZr! :cheer:

It's normal not shifting from 1st until the rear wheel is turning.

Use full choke when cranking cold engine and don't touch the throttle.

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Would visually examine spark quality with plugs in caps and held grounded against engine head.
Look for fat blue sparks -- not wimpy orange sparks.
Weak spark could result from various causes.

Could spray starting fluid into carb intakes while attempting to start the engine.
If engine starts with starting fluid -- but not otherwise -- indicates a carb issue with the pilot circuits (insufficient cleaning job).

Good Fortune! :)


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KZ900 LTD

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22 Oct 2013 14:49 #610837 by MFolks
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If the sparkplug caps are what came with the bike, the internal 5000 ohm resistor may be failing, or intermittent. To check them, unscrew the caps from the sparkplug wires, and use a multimeter set on OHMS, range of 20K. If the caps are good, they should test using the meter. If not, get 4 new ones from the local Japanese motorcycle shops.

Testing Kawasaki Ignition Coils For Input Voltage

When voltage testing Kawasaki Ignition Coils, the following needs to be done:

1. Remove the fuel/gas tank to access the coils.

2. Fully charge the battery.

3. Using a multimeter, set it up for VDC(Volts, Direct Current), range of 20.

4. Turn on the ignition switch and the run/stop switch to “Run”.

5. Put the multimeter’s RED probe on where the red or red/yellow wire goes on the ignition coil.

6. Put the multimeter’s BLACK probe on either the battery Negative(-) post/terminal or a good frame ground.

7. You should be able to see battery voltage at the ignition coil connection, but this depends on the current draw of other items in the same circuit.

8. If the tested voltage is down to 8-9 volts, you probably need to clean the many and various electrical connectors.

9. To check the spark output at the sparkplugs, use Ignition Spark Testers. Instead of grounding the sparkplug with the sparkplug wire attached, looking for a spark. This method puts the IC Igniter and ignition coils at risk of failure due to high currents, and possible internal shorting.

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General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
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22 Oct 2013 14:50 #610840 by MFolks
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Cleaning Motorcycle Electrics

Get some of the De-Oxit DN5 electrical contact cleaner and figure on spending a good day going from the front of the bike to the back. It’s a plastic safe cleaner/preservative. www.deoxit.com is their website, and can be purchased at most electronic supply stores.

On the older Kawasaki's, a majority of electrical connectors are inside the headlight housing requiring removal of the headlight, then the fun begins.

Do one set of electrical connectors at a time to avoid mixing up what connects to where. Usually disconnecting, spraying with De-Oxit DN5 and reconnecting is about all you'll need.

However, when encountering the green crud of corrosion, a brass wire brush may be needed on the pins you can reach. Some 400-600 grit wet and dry sandpaper strips rolled into a tube should reach the male and female pins in the more difficult to clean connectors.

Smoker’s pipe cleaners, cotton swabs and wooden toothpicks work as cleaning aids.

Really small electrical connectors may require the use of a welders tip cleaning tool assortment.

Most pins in the connectors are coated with a thin plating of tin, and others may be nothing more than copper or brass.

If moisture is added, the resulting corrosion lowers the voltage/current being carried causing dim lights, slow engine cranking, slow turn signal response and lower input voltage to the ignition coils resulting in weak spark.


The left and right handlebar switch pods will need attention too as they have circuit functions like turn, horn, run/stop, and start. If you discover the soldered connections at the switches are crumbling, I’ve got a repair procedure for this, just ask.

Usually a spritz or two with actuation of the switch is about all needed for these switches unless corrosion is detected and then careful disassembly is required.

The ignition switch may or may be not sealed to allow spraying the internal contacts. I urge caution if attempting to open this up as springs, and ball bearings may fly out never to be seen again!

If your bike has the older style glass tubed fuses, I suggest replacing them as vibration can cause internal failure. AGX is the type used, and most auto parts stores can get them for you.

Clean the fuse holder clips, looking for signs of overheating(discolored insulation, signs of melting). I use metal polish on a cotton swab, followed by spraying another clean swab with the De-Oxit DN5 and then rubbing the inside of the fuse clip.

All battery cables must be clean and tight for maximum current transfer. Check the cables going from the Negative(-) battery terminal/post to the engine mounting bolt

Also the one going from the Positive(+) terminal to the starter solenoid and from there to the starter motor.

If any battery cable feels ”Crunchy” when flexed, replace it as possible corrosion is inside the insulation.

Each "Bullet Connector" will have to be sprayed to ensure good connectivity, especially the ones going to the energizing coil of the starter solenoid.

The alternator output “Bullet Connectors” are usually behind the engine sprocket cover and will need inspecting and cleaning too.

The turn signal light sockets will benefit from a spritz from the contact cleaner along with the tail light/brake light socket.

Some brake light switches can be sprayed on the actuating rod, with the spray running down inside to the electrical contacts, others may be sealed requiring replacement if the switch is intermittent in operation.

Some people put the Di-Electric Grease on cleaned terminations/connectors, I don’t, as I’ve read/heard it can cause problems when it gets hot, actually insulating the connections, so the choice is yours to use or not.

I think I've covered about all of the electrical systems on the bike.........


“I spent a weekend going through every electrical connection and switch on the bike with a little scotchbrite pad and DeOxit - what a difference! Everything was brighter, gauge backlights, indicator lights, turn signals, I was getting a nicer spark, it fired up quicker, etc. Well worth my time. WELL worth it! “
From a forum member at www.kzrider.com


Re: Cleaning the many and various Motorcycle electrics.
I used the De-oxit D-5 spray on all the electrical connections of my 78 Kz1000 that had sat for twenty years .

When I parked the bike in 92 I was starting to have troubles with some of the electrical system, but after pulling everything apart and giving it a spray , reconnecting the connectors and working them back and forth a few times, then gave them another shot of spray to wash them off before the final reconnection.

Everything still works perfectly and has for over 7000 miles this year.

I am extremely happy with the results , a lot of the connectors were green when I started and after the cleaning they looked new ( shiny gold )

I found the Deoxit D-series, D-5 spray in a 4 oz can at a big electronics store called Frys in Illinois, don't get the small cans at Radio Shack , they are different and meant for computer type stuff.

store.caig.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.188/.f

Trust MFolks , the guy's a true rocket scientist and really knows what he's talking about.
JD

1982 GPZ1100 B2
General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
GLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk, AGM-129A Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM)

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22 Oct 2013 14:53 #610841 by sbc1320
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Linc wrote: Thanks Ed,

I get a faint spark on all 4 plugs.


Good strong blue spark is needed. If after cranking while choking engine, pull a plug and see if it is wet. If not it isn't picking up the fuel and will not start.

1980 KZ1000 LTD-B4(MK II engine) - Progressive suspension, MTC pistons, Dynojet Stage III, all wear items replaced, WFO paint scheme(1978), etc..

Past bikes- 2 1976 Kz900's, 5 1975-76 Honda CB750's, Honda 500 -4, Honda 250, Honda 125, Honda 100, Suzuki RM 250, Honda XL350, Kawasaki KLR 650, etc..

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22 Oct 2013 16:05 #610847 by DOHC
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I second the suggestion to use starting fluid. It's a very quick and easy way to answer the question "is the issue spark or fuel." If it fires and sounds normal with starting fluid, focus on potential fuel issue first.

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22 Oct 2013 17:54 #610859 by sbc1320
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Linc wrote: Thanks Ed,

There are 3 ports on the petcock. 2 of them go to the carbs but I don't know where the other goes. it didn't have a line on it. The electric starter is engaging and turning the engine over. The kill switch is on run and the key is on. I get a faint spark on all 4 plugs.


Vacuum could go to any one of the carb holders.

1980 KZ1000 LTD-B4(MK II engine) - Progressive suspension, MTC pistons, Dynojet Stage III, all wear items replaced, WFO paint scheme(1978), etc..

Past bikes- 2 1976 Kz900's, 5 1975-76 Honda CB750's, Honda 500 -4, Honda 250, Honda 125, Honda 100, Suzuki RM 250, Honda XL350, Kawasaki KLR 650, etc..

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22 Oct 2013 20:58 - 22 Oct 2013 23:26 #610878 by Linc
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Thanks for the replies guys.

So I replaced the plugs and now have a blue spark. there is no voltage drop (13.2v) I checked all the carbs and they were all clean all the jets are clear as well.
It still turns over but wont start. I did get a pop from the #1 and 4 carb though. I tried spraying carb cleaner in the intake but it made no difference.
I'm thinking maybe points are off or bad. I'm not sure how to check or set them.

Kinda stoked I got that pop though. Gives me hope.
The guy I bought it from gave me a ignition plate off a kz1100. Can I just remove the points plate off the 1000 and install the one off the 1100??
Last edit: 22 Oct 2013 23:26 by Linc.

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23 Oct 2013 08:34 #610907 by sbc1320
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Linc wrote: Thanks for the replies guys.

So I replaced the plugs and now have a blue spark. there is no voltage drop (13.2v) I checked all the carbs and they were all clean all the jets are clear as well.
It still turns over but wont start. I did get a pop from the #1 and 4 carb though. I tried spraying carb cleaner in the intake but it made no difference.
I'm thinking maybe points are off or bad. I'm not sure how to check or set them.

Kinda stoked I got that pop though. Gives me hope.
The guy I bought it from gave me a ignition plate off a kz1100. Can I just remove the points plate off the 1000 and install the one off the 1100??


If you have good spark then points and condensor should be good. You can sand the points with fine sandpaper. If you mess with the point plate then you would have to set timing.

If you use(I don't)any starting fluid use it sparingly.

1980 KZ1000 LTD-B4(MK II engine) - Progressive suspension, MTC pistons, Dynojet Stage III, all wear items replaced, WFO paint scheme(1978), etc..

Past bikes- 2 1976 Kz900's, 5 1975-76 Honda CB750's, Honda 500 -4, Honda 250, Honda 125, Honda 100, Suzuki RM 250, Honda XL350, Kawasaki KLR 650, etc..

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