1978 kz 1000 won't start

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Re: 1978 kz 1000 won't start

23 Oct 2013 09:26
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Is it possible the previous owner hooked the spark plug wires to the wrong plugs or attached the wires from the points to the wrong coils? Check to make sure the wire coming from the pair of points marked 1/4 goes to the coil that attaches to the spark plugs for cylinders 1 & 4. Ed
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Re: 1978 kz 1000 won't start

23 Oct 2013 11:18
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Re: 1978 kz 1000 won't start

23 Oct 2013 11:23 - 23 Oct 2013 11:24
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Re: 1978 kz 1000 won't start

23 Oct 2013 12:23
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Ok. So I took the plugs out and they seem dry. I'm gonna clean the carbs today and see what happens.
I'm not using the tank as its completely full of rust. I'm using a bottle to feed the 2 fuel line going to the carbs. Do they need a vacuum to draw the fuel in? I'll try to post some pics of the set up later.

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Re: 1978 kz 1000 won't start

23 Oct 2013 13:51
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The carbs are fed by gravity alone.

It's not unusual for the plug wires to get switched - the 'right vs left' is by convention. For example, if the wires on your points got crossed up, they would be feeding the wrong cylinders, because they would now be pulsing the 'wrong' coils. I'd make sure the coils are wired right before I went much further. Follow the green wire from the right hand points to the coil. Follow the plug wires from that coil to the plugs and make sure that circuit is feeding cylinders 2 and 3. If that one is right, the other one is right (there's only right or wrong, not combinations of each).

If you are getting backfiring through the carbs, there are a couple other things that you should check.

- Grab your service manual and look at the valve chain timing specs. If you are off one tooth either way on either the intake or exhaust cam, you can end up with something that sounds like what you are experiencing.

- Buy a set of feeler gauges and check your valve clearance. If you have no clearance, you won't get any compression, which leads to no vacuum, which means your plugs will be dry (since you are getting little to no gas).

Tearing into the carbs is a place you are probably going to end up at anyway, but if the valve and ignition timing are wrong, the cleanest carbs in the world will still be ineffective.
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Re: 1978 kz 1000 won't start

23 Oct 2013 14:40
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650ed wrote: Is it possible the previous owner hooked the spark plug wires to the wrong plugs or attached the wires from the points to the wrong coils? Check to make sure the wire coming from the pair of points marked 1/4 goes to the coil that attaches to the spark plugs for cylinders 1 & 4. Ed

I'm going to check on that when I get home.

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Re: 1978 kz 1000 won't start

23 Oct 2013 14:42
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Cynjut wrote: The carbs are fed by gravity alone.

It's not unusual for the plug wires to get switched - the 'right vs left' is by convention. For example, if the wires on your points got crossed up, they would be feeding the wrong cylinders, because they would now be pulsing the 'wrong' coils. I'd make sure the coils are wired right before I went much further. Follow the green wire from the right hand points to the coil. Follow the plug wires from that coil to the plugs and make sure that circuit is feeding cylinders 2 and 3. If that one is right, the other one is right (there's only right or wrong, not combinations of each).

If you are getting backfiring through the carbs, there are a couple other things that you should check.

- Grab your service manual and look at the valve chain timing specs. If you are off one tooth either way on either the intake or exhaust cam, you can end up with something that sounds like what you are experiencing.

- Buy a set of feeler gauges and check your valve clearance. If you have no clearance, you won't get any compression, which leads to no vacuum, which means your plugs will be dry (since you are getting little to no gas).

Tearing into the carbs is a place you are probably going to end up at anyway, but if the valve and ignition timing are wrong, the cleanest carbs in the world will still be ineffective.

I don't have a manual. Is there somewhere I can download one? if the valve timing is off the engine wont start?

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Re: 1978 kz 1000 won't start

23 Oct 2013 16:46
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Linc wrote: Ok. So I took the plugs out and they seem dry. I'm gonna clean the carbs today and see what happens.
I'm not using the tank as its completely full of rust. I'm using a bottle to feed the 2 fuel line going to the carbs. Do they need a vacuum to draw the fuel in? I'll try to post some pics of the set up later.

Assuming your bike had the stock 1978 KZ1000 petcock it would have had a vacuum line from the carbs necessary to operate the petcock diaphragm. Since you are using a fuel bottle you should identify the vacuum port on the carbs and temporarily cap it until you're ready to use the stock petcock again. I doubt that this is the reason for it not starting, but once it starts it will run better with that port capped, otherwise that cylinder will run lean. Ed
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Re: 1978 kz 1000 won't start

23 Oct 2013 18:56
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If not already mentioned in this thread --

When attempting to start the cold engine, have it on full choke and don't touch the throttle while cranking over the engine.

The enrichener circuit (choke) is designed to function with the throttle closed.

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Re: 1978 kz 1000 won't start

26 Oct 2013 09:10
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Still wont start. I decided to pull the engine so I could work on the rest of the bike. Thanks for all the replies. I'll keep you guys posted.

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