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19 Jun 2013 01:24
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Hello guys. I'd like to announce that I have added another bike to my collection. This time a 1979 KZ1000 E1 st. The previous owner apparently received it in somewhat poor condition. Him and his "mechanic" got it running "better." From what he told me they replaced the pods with the airbox that was included in the box-o-parts that came with the bike among other things.

The issue I have is that they airbox in the box-o-parts didn't have a lid. I would really like to stay with the airbox as this bike will be ridden daily at least for a little while. I have been searching ebay and only found 1 st box and they want $100.00 starting bid. I don't need the whole box, just the lid, so I would like to find a little bit better deal than that. The previous owner just taped up the top of the box, however I don't trust any kind of tape with the life of my engine. I do have the pods that came on the bike, and I'm not opposed to tuning the carbs to work with them (I have them apart right now cleaning them anyway) but there is a high possibility of me riding in the rain at some point and I just don't think that pods are the best option.

Does anyone around here have just a lid they would part with? or an entire assembly that they would sell for a decent price, or trade for some other part? (I have quite a selection) Is taping the airbox up acceptable? Any and all input is greatly appreciated!!
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19 Jun 2013 01:43
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Also, on the same note. The previous owner or the one before that replaced one of the tiny c clips on the accelerator pump circuit with a homemade paperclip c clip. Is there anyplace I can buy replacement clips? are they even included in rebuild kits? the picture shown on Z1enterprises does not show one.

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19 Jun 2013 09:56 - 19 Jun 2013 09:58
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justinz830 wrote: Also, on the same note. The previous owner or the one before that replaced one of the tiny c clips on the accelerator pump circuit with a homemade paperclip c clip. Is there anyplace I can buy replacement clips? are they even included in rebuild kits? the picture shown on Z1enterprises does not show one.

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Which piece do you need? Ed

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19 Jun 2013 10:08
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I'm not really sure, but I think the KZ1000ST airbox is only used on those models - the cap is probably going to be hard to find? There is at least one ST airbox listed on ebbaayy - it's missing the cap.

As for the little spring clip, the K&L accelerator pump kit includes the little parts - ball, weight, & clip.
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19 Jun 2013 11:22
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If you are looking for that little circlip that holds in the accelerator check valve, and spring in each float bowl. That part number is 92037-1123, but its NLA from Kawasaki. Good news its the same part number for all four cylinder 1979/1980 Kawasaki's with the accelerator pump.

Some old time dealerships that work on early model bikes, might still have them in stock. Many big Kawasaki dealerships will not work on bikes over five years old!!!
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1979 Kz1000 MK. II Old AMA/WERA Superbike.
1986 RG500G 2 stroke terror.
1986 GSXR750RG The one with the clutch that rattles!

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19 Jun 2013 11:50 - 19 Jun 2013 11:51
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If you are riding in the rain, you definitely want the airbox. I'll try to get a hold of my buddy to see if he still has the old airbox from his 79 KZ1000 ST.

He converted his 28's to run without the accelerator pump (and jetted for pods) and it runs much better. Do a search on eliminating the accelerator pump. Many have done it and recommend it.
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19 Jun 2013 12:32 - 19 Jun 2013 12:39
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Dr. Gamma wrote:
Some old time dealerships that work on early model bikes, might still have them in stock. Many big Kawasaki dealerships will not work on bikes over five years old!!!

Tell me about it, unless it is lime green with knobbies or has four wheels the local Kaw dealers don't want to talk to you :angry:

Everyone in the shop is at least 10 years younger then my bike.

I have better luck at the local Honda/Suzuki shop, the guys have been there for ever and are a pleasure to talk to and reminisce about the olden days.

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19 Jun 2013 13:56
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Thanks for all of the input guys. It does look like the accelerator pump kit does include the clip I need, unfortunately z1 is out of them right now. I was thinking about replacing the diaphragm anyway, so that wouldn't be bad, now I just have to find one.

As far as ebay goes, I did find one airbox with a cap, but $100 was the starting bid that's a little steep considering all I would use off of it was the cap. is running with duct tape or gorilla tape instead of the lid acceptable? It would definitely make servicing the filter a pain.

I do have another set of vm28 sc without the accelerator pump. Would those carburetors work well or better than the pumpers that came with it? I think that the shaft bikes came with larger main jets, but that is an easy fix. The mains in my pumper carbs are 117.5 right now. Does anybody know if these are stock, or if a previous owner attempted to jet for pods before switching back to the airbox?

When I rode the bike home it ran great up until about 1/2 throttle, then absolutely nothing. would this issue be related to the accelerator pump, or most likely just dirty carbs? I thought that it was the later, which is why I've already torn into the carbs for a cleaning, but now I'm beginning to think it might also have something to do with the pump. the linkage arm was way out of adjustment, would this make a big difference?
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19 Jun 2013 13:56 - 19 Jun 2013 18:00
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Dr. Gamma wrote:
Some old time dealerships that work on early model bikes, might still have them in stock. Many big Kawasaki dealerships will not work on bikes over five years old!!!

Tell me about it, unless it is lime green with knobbies or has four wheels the local Kaw dealers don't want to talk to you :angry:

Everyone in the shop is at least 10 years younger then my bike.

I have better luck at the local Honda/Suzuki shop, the guys have been there for ever and are a pleasure to talk to and reminisce about the olden days.




You got that right!!!

What has happened to motorcycle dealerships!!! If you are not riding the current model year bike, they really don't want to bother with you it seems. The big multi-line dealerships are like walking into a WalMart. First thing I noticed when I walked was lack of the aroma of new bikes. No smell of the rubber tires, or the smell of a freshly waxed bike!!!!

I pulled up in the parking lot of one of these "dealerships" with a perfectly restored 1972 750 H2 triple with Denco chambers a few years ago. The one mechanic walked outside and asked why the exhausts got bigger then smaller at the end of them!!! As I walked in, the one salesman said I should get rid of that "thing" and get a ZX something. In his words they were the hot setup!!!

As I was there some 18 year or so "rider" with pink hair, no helmet, and cutoffs pulled into the lot with a stripped down GSXR with all those bars they put on a bike to do that trick riding. The whole sales force came outside to look at this punk and his bike. You think it was Kenny Roberts that pulled into the lot on his TZ750 mile bike!!!! Never been back since.

Motorcycle dealerships along with the rest of this country are going downhill real fast!!!

Sorry about the thread drift, but you hit on something that really erks me!!!
1972 H2 750 Cafe Racer built in 1974.
1976 KH400 Production Road Racer.
1979 Kz1000 MK. II Old AMA/WERA Superbike.
1986 RG500G 2 stroke terror.
1986 GSXR750RG The one with the clutch that rattles!

Up in the hills near Prescott, Az.
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19 Jun 2013 13:57 - 19 Jun 2013 14:03
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1972 H2 750 Cafe Racer built in 1974.
1976 KH400 Production Road Racer.
1979 Kz1000 MK. II Old AMA/WERA Superbike.
1986 RG500G 2 stroke terror.
1986 GSXR750RG The one with the clutch that rattles!

Up in the hills near Prescott, Az.
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19 Jun 2013 14:00
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P.M. sent loudhvx
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19 Jun 2013 20:20
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justinz830 wrote: Also, on the same note. The previous owner or the one before that replaced one of the tiny c clips on the accelerator pump circuit with a homemade paperclip c clip. Is there anyplace I can buy replacement clips? are they even included in rebuild kits? the picture shown on Z1enterprises does not show one.

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Look at this link, scroll down to the bottom of the page. Is that the clip you need?
www.redlinecycle.com/Carb%20-%20Accel%20Pump.html
If not and what you want is a common E-clip, try McMaster-Carr. They have everything.
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