Too Tight Cam Chain

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14 Oct 2012 22:12 - 15 Oct 2012 07:13 #553868 by Garn
Replied by Garn on topic Too Tight Cam Chain
Take both cams out! Hold chain, and rotate engine see if chain hasn't bunched in the bottom plumbers block as others have suggested. Good idea ApeJay .... check the package the chain came in!
RegardZ.

PS. Just had another thought.... LONG- shot!.....Perhaps the sprocket idler with the chain adjusting wheel hanging from it, is mounted the wrong way around ..... causing the chain to have tension!..... LONG SHOT!

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15 Oct 2012 12:19 - 15 Oct 2012 13:05 #553963 by LarryC
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Garn wrote: Take both cams out! Hold chain, and rotate engine see if chain hasn't bunched in the bottom plumbers block as others have suggested. Good idea ApeJay .... check the package the chain came in!
RegardZ.

PS. Just had another thought.... LONG- shot!.....Perhaps the sprocket idler with the chain adjusting wheel hanging from it, is mounted the wrong way around ..... causing the chain to have tension!..... LONG SHOT!


I've seen that happen. It's worth checking, considering the intake cam is rocked back.

A couple of things in the picture are hard to see clearly. In particular, the index mark for the exhaust cam. I see what looks like 2 possible marks but one looks like it's been scribed by hand. It's the one indicated by the yellow arrow in the pic.

What looks bad is it's too high above the valve cover surface.

There's another mark, not easily visible unless you blow up the pic. It's indicated by the blue arrow in the pic. It's more correctly oriented in relation to the valve over surface. If that one is the factory index mark, then the pin count is off by 1 pin.

However, it doesn't explain the lack of slack. If the pin count is 29 vs 28, there should be plenty of slack in the chain between the cams unless there's a problem elsewhere.


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19 Oct 2012 06:55 #554645 by Garn
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So, BB, what was the problem... need a bit of feed-back.
regardZ.

1 x 73 Z1 (Jaffa), 74 Z1A, 76 Z900-A4
1 x 73 Yamaha TX500 & 98 fzx250 Zeal
Sydney Australia

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05 Nov 2012 03:17 #557091 by 3cav84a
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Dying to know what the problem is/was.

1977 KZ 1000 A1

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30 Nov 2012 11:16 #560628 by BB
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Hi Guys,

Well, I installed a 120 link chain as any good mentally challenged rookie would do. I wont mention the company I ordered from, but needless to say, I wont be using them again.... They sent me the wrong chain, I didn't check, these things happen.. Good practice at splitting the cases, I have the 124 link chain installed and she fits well, it is really tight, but turns nicely.

One thing, I stripped a thread in the #1 cam cap. What is the best way to repair this, a buddy mentioned some sort of device you would insert in the drilled out thread? any thoughts?

Thanks for all the help guys, much appreciated. Sorry for the delay in responses - this work thing sure gets in the way of bike rebuilds..

Cheers, Brendan.

1980 KZ1000P - The Mistress
2002 R1150GS - Matilda

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30 Nov 2012 13:07 #560650 by Street Fighter LTD
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Glad you found the problem.

Look up Helicoil for thread repair and follow simple instructions

Their is more than one manufacter of helicoil type products depending on where you are. Best done off the bike to insure proper alignment of drilling so more damage is not done.
Good Luck
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30 Nov 2012 15:46 #560666 by 650ed
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2 suggestions:

Timesert for thread repair:
www.timesert.com/

In the future use a torque wrench calibrated in inch/pounds to prevent stripped threads.

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01 Dec 2012 01:10 #560741 by elfmagic17
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650ed wrote: 2 suggestions:

Timesert for thread repair:
www.timesert.com/

In the future use a torque wrench calibrated in inch/pounds to prevent stripped threads.


X2

Timesert is the BEST choice, it's like installing steel nuts in the aluminum. B)

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03 Dec 2012 22:34 #561227 by APE Jay
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I wouldn't be so quick to blame the vendor. We have seen the wrong chain in the box on a couple of occasions.

However, The KZ takes the peanut style chain like in Larry's photo above. I don't even know of any KZ that takes a 120 link chain.

120 is the standard Suzuki GS1000/1100/1150 size, but they are a flat side plate style.

We don't even stock a 120 peanut chain. Not sure where you would get one if you needed one.

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04 Dec 2012 19:44 - 04 Dec 2012 19:49 #561391 by Garn
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I think BB met to say 122 link chain. He needed a 124 link, although looking at his first picture it sure does look tight!
An easy mistake to make by buyer or vendor.
RegardZ.

1 x 73 Z1 (Jaffa), 74 Z1A, 76 Z900-A4
1 x 73 Yamaha TX500 & 98 fzx250 Zeal
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