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22 May 2012 06:50 #523970 by indianajames
have a 82 750 ltd , 21000 miles runs great ,600 mile ride hiway speeds no probs , plugs burning light honey color , no hesitation in any gear. carbs cynced . for some reason after its hot ,and now when it first started i have a ritual to follow that sometimes works and sometimes not , sometimes battery just runs down. ritual in includes putting it on prime , choke on , choke off, hold throttle open , no throttle ,wait about 5 mins. try again . and then out of nowhere it starts and run perfectly . fuel filter and air filter are new. i am baffled , anybody had this problem? im thinking , valves,petcock or bowl level, this is super embarrassing with other riders after running so good and then not start.

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22 May 2012 06:56 #523971 by indianajames
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that end of title should read , fiddling , thanks guys, on my way to work, able to reply this evening

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22 May 2012 08:02 #523973 by roy-b-boy-b
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Check your voltage going to the coils. Roy

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22 May 2012 08:38 #523981 by LarryC
Next time it won't start, try popping the gas cap open, wait 30 seconds, then try to start it.

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22 May 2012 10:00 #523993 by Motor Head
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roy-b-boy-b wrote: Check your voltage going to the coils. Roy

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Could be dirty contacts in either the Ignition or right hand kill switch. Also could be a loose dirty connection at several locations. When it won't fire check to see if you have spark.

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22 May 2012 18:06 #524087 by MFolks
Do this:

Cleaning Motorcycle Electrics

1. Get some of the De-Oxit electrical contact cleaner and figure on spending a good day going from the front of the bike to the back. It’s a plastic safe cleaner/preservative. www.deoxit.com is their website. Or use any plastic safe electrical contact cleaner(NOT WD-40 !).

2. On the older Kawasaki's, a majority of electrical connectors are inside the headlight housing requiring removal of the headlight, then the fun begins.

3. Do one set of electrical connectors at a time to avoid mixing up what connects to where. Usually disconnecting, spraying with De-Oxit and reconnecting is about all you'll need.

4. However, when encountering the green crud of corrosion, a brass wire brush may be needed on the pins you can reach. Some 400-600 grit wet and dry sandpaper strips rolled into a tube should reach the male and female pins in the more difficult to clean connectors.

5. Smoker’s pipe cleaners, cotton swabs and wooden toothpicks work as cleaning aids.

6. Really small electrical connectors may require the use of a welders tip cleaning tool assortment.

7. Most pins in the connectors are coated with a thin plating of tin, and others may be nothing more than copper or brass.

8. If moisture is added, the resulting corrosion lowers the voltage/current being carried causing dim lights, slow engine cranking, slow turn signal responce and lower input voltage to the ignition coils resulting in weak spark.

9. The left and right handlebar switch pods will need attention too as they have circuit functions like turn, horn, run/stop, and start. The older Kawasaki’s have reports of the soldered connections crumbling, if your bike has this problem, just ask, as I’ve got a repair procedure for this.

10. Usually a spritz or two with actuation of the switch is about all needed for these switches unless corrosion is detected and then careful disassembly is required.

11. The ignition switch may or may be not sealed to allow spraying the internal contacts. I urge caution if attempting to open this up as springs, and ball bearings may fly out never to be seen again!

12. If your bike has the older style glass tubed fuses, I suggest replacing them as vibration can cause internal failure. AGX is the type used, and most auto parts stores can get them for you.

13. Clean the fuse holder clips, looking for signs of overheating(discolored insulation, signs of melting). I use metal polish on a cotton swab, followed by spraying another clean swab with the De-Oxit and then rubbing the inside of the fuse clip.

14. All battery cables must be clean and tight for maximum current transfer. Check the cables going from the Negative(-) battery terminal/post to the engine mounting bolt

15. Also the one going from the Positive(+) terminal to the starter solenoid and from there to the starter motor.

16. If any battery cable feels ”Crunchy” when flexed, replace it as possible corrosion is inside the insulation.

17. Each "Bullet Connector" will have to be sprayed to ensure good connectivity, especially the ones going to the energizing coil of the starter solenoid.

18. The alternator output “Bullet Connectors” are usually behind the engine sprocket cover and will need inspecting and cleaning too.

20. The turn signal light sockets will benefit from a spritz from the contact cleaner along with the tail light/brake light socket.

21. Some brake light switches can be sprayed on the actuating rod, with the spray running down inside to the electrical contacts, others may be sealed requiring replacement if the switch is intermittent in operation.

22. Some people put the Di-Electric Grease on cleaned terminations/connectors, I don’t, as I’ve read/heard it can cause problems when it gets hot, actually insulating the connections, so the choice is yours to use or not.

I think I've covered about all of the electrical systems on the bike.........

“I spent a weekend going through every electrical connection and switch on the bike with a little scotchbrite pad and DeOxit - what a difference! Everything was brighter, gauge backlights, indicator lights, turn signals, I was getting a nicer spark, it fired up quicker, etc. Well worth my time. WELL worth it! “

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22 May 2012 21:01 #524130 by DFIGPZ

LarryC wrote: Next time it won't start, try popping the gas cap open, wait 30 seconds, then try to start it.

I am with Larry on this could be a simple as tank vent plugged.

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22 May 2012 22:39 #524153 by indianajames
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thanx fellas i have popped open the lid before but didnt wait 30 seconds,just figured it helped immediately. as for coil voltage, i thought because it ran so well that this would not be the problem, but i will check it. i did give some thought to the kill switch not working but i thought it had to be, because its the starter button aswell, but mabye its not completeing the curcuit for fire to the coils, just the path to the starter solinoid, is that how it works?

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22 May 2012 22:58 #524159 by Patton

indianajames wrote: ...popped open the lid before but didnt wait 30 seconds,just figured it helped immediately....


The 30 seconds should allow ample time for the float bowls to re-fill.

Good Fortune! :)

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24 May 2012 06:55 #524452 by indianajames
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tried 30 second with cap open, petcock on prime, no luck . moving on to voltage check at coils . should read the same as direct battery reading ? i dont understand how a bike can run perfectly and then crank till battery goes dead, then jump it and it runs perfectly again until you shut it down!! anyhow , voltage check at coils then on to kill/run/starter switch continuity check. after work.

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24 May 2012 07:19 - 24 May 2012 07:24 #524454 by LarryC
Well, the gas tank vent was worth a shot and easy as pie.

The battery dying is a concern. How quickly does it die when cranking the bike? Voltage to the coils comes from the battery. Starting there when checking the electrical system. Put a meter across the terminals at idle and then hold it at 3000 - 4000 RPM and see if the voltage rises. Should go to 14 - 14.5 volts.

It may turn out to be something with your wiring but there's no reason not to check the basics first. It could save you hours of tail chasing.

You didn't by some chance install a new battery without charging it up good and proper did you?

Larry C.
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24 May 2012 08:50 - 24 May 2012 08:51 #524465 by 650ed
Sounds like you may need a new battery since the bike will jump start ok. How old is the one in the bike? Ed

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