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11 Aug 2011 00:48
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roy-b-boy-b wrote: I got every thing buttoned up. I did some extra maintaince type things.

The engine is so smooth. Now my lazy butt won't have to shift so much,plus gas mileage boost.

It will be interesting to learn how the 1075 runs with stock cams.

I installed a head with the casting flaws smoothed out. The carbs with pods actually whistle. :whistle: Roy

You probably raised the cylinder pressure at least 50 psi switching from 3X to stock. Will have better low end, but run out of steam just about where the 3X would have started to make power.

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Re: Andrews 3X Cams

11 Aug 2011 08:14
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I am getting old jay. Now I can putt around in fifth gear. Roy
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Re: Andrews 3X Cams

11 Aug 2011 08:53
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Drop some Web 118's in it Roy and port the head to about 86CFM. You'll have a sweet little 1075 with some grunt where you never had it with those 3x's....right where you want it...from the bottom where most everyone rides anyway. No down shifting required...just roll it on and GO!

Bolt them right in on stock sprockets. If your cam chain isn't all stretched out.

3x's are a nice cam but they're the wrong cam for a good all around 1075 motor IMO.

The 2 biggest mistakes many guys make are

a] too big carbs
b] too much cam

Long duration cams drop the dynamic compression ratio. That takes away mid range acceleration performance. How much cam is too much is relevant to:

a] size of the motor
b] application of the motor [how a guy really rides the bike]

More duration creates more time for the intake valve to flow air into the cylinder. Good stuff....even better when the head hasn't signed off [quits gaining flow] at a lift less than the cam provides.

Kawasaki 1000 Ninja vs Kawasaki 1000 Eliminator is the perfect comparison of how cams and carburetors transform identical engines into two distinctively behaving engines.

There's also the option of correcting the dynamic compression loss with piston dome. The caveat with that is you're then locked into the cam.

There's a combo for every purpose and every riding style. Pick the one that fits how the bike is really going to be ridden and happiness will follow suit ;)

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Re: Andrews 3X Cams

11 Aug 2011 09:06
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cavanaughracing wrote: Drop some Web 118's in it Roy and port the head to about 86CFM. You'll have a sweet little 1075 with some grunt where you never had it with those 3x's....right where you want it...from the bottom where most everyone rides anyway. No down shifting required...just roll it on and GO!

Bolt them right in on stock sprockets. If your cam chain isn't all stretched out.

3x's are a nice cam but they're the wrong cam for a good all around 1075 motor IMO.

The 2 biggest mistakes many guys make are

a] too big carbs
b] too much cam

Long duration cams drop the dynamic compression ratio. That takes away mid range acceleration performance. How much cam is too much is relevant to:

a] size of the motor
b] application of the motor [how a guy really rides the bike]

More duration creates more time for the intake valve to flow air into the cylinder. Good stuff....even better when the head hasn't signed off [quits gaining flow] at a lift less than the cam provides.

Kawasaki 1000 Ninja vs Kawasaki 1000 Eliminator is the perfect comparison of how cams and carburetors transform identical engines into two distinctively behaving engines.

There's also the option of correcting the dynamic compression loss with piston dome. The caveat with that is you're then locked into the cam.

There's a combo for every purpose and every riding style. Pick the one that fits how the bike is really going to be ridden and happiness will follow suit ;)

Well said man! I totally agree.

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Re: Andrews 3X Cams

11 Aug 2011 23:33
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Joe @ Pitstop is doing the 3x. I think Megacycle or someone makes them for him.

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Re: Andrews 3X Cams

12 Aug 2011 17:22
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Joe's grind is .410 lift. Check out the eBay link.

Is this 50 lbs of pressure going to cause any problem? Roy
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Re: Andrews 3X Cams

12 Aug 2011 19:01
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roy-b-boy-b wrote: Joe's grind is .410 lift. Check out the eBay link.

Is this 50 lbs of pressure going to cause any problem? Roy

can u say PING?

it depends on how much compression u end up with. if it is running fine now then u should be ok.
if u hear a ping or see silver alum specs on a new spark plug, u have a problem.
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Re: Andrews 3X Cams

12 Aug 2011 19:05
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I run a 3X on my intake and a 8X (K410) on my exhaust combined with a 84 bathtub head and oversize valves and heavy porting in my GPz1150. It makes the bike a brute.
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Re: Andrews 3X Cams

12 Aug 2011 19:09 - 12 Aug 2011 19:10
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No ping so far. I can get good gas. No mix.

I don't know the compression ratio. Big domes. Roy
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Re: Andrews 3X Cams

12 Aug 2011 19:16
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roy-b-boy-b wrote: Joe's grind is .410 lift. Check out the eBay link.

Is this 50 lbs of pressure going to cause any problem? Roy

You mean this link which states that they bought the Andrews 3X .418 lift cam?

cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kawasaki-Z1-KZ90...-PSP3X-/380157606144

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Re: Andrews 3X Cams

12 Aug 2011 22:01
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Ooops :blush: I was reading the whole post and was quoting Marty. Roy
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Re: Andrews 3X Cams

12 Aug 2011 22:05
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roy-b-boy-b wrote: No ping so far. I can get good gas. No mix.

I don't know the compression ratio. Big domes. Roy

Do a cranking compression test to see what the cylinder pressures are. What octane are you running? I bet cranking compression is below 180psi. Stock ignition timing, or different ignition system? Full advance and initial advance #'s?
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