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Kz1000 Running Way Too Hot
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02 Jul 2011 17:50 #460664
by Patton
1973 Z1
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Spark plug reading??
Exhaust valves too tight??
Fuel mixture too lean??
Ignition timing correct??
Timing advancer functioning properly??
Brakes dragging??
Oil level and viscosity and condition??
Oil filter clogged?? Filter bypass functioning correctly??
Just shot-gunning.
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Exhaust valves too tight??
Fuel mixture too lean??
Ignition timing correct??
Timing advancer functioning properly??
Brakes dragging??
Oil level and viscosity and condition??
Oil filter clogged?? Filter bypass functioning correctly??
Just shot-gunning.
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02 Jul 2011 18:00 #460666
by Patton
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Oil pump filter screen clogged??
Oil pump malfunction??
Has oil flow to and through the cooler been checked??
Are the cooler lines properly attached and kink-free?
At location of the oil pressure sending unit, are the two aftermarket parts functional and correctly installed (that replace the single oem part)??
Oil pump malfunction??
Has oil flow to and through the cooler been checked??
Are the cooler lines properly attached and kink-free?
At location of the oil pressure sending unit, are the two aftermarket parts functional and correctly installed (that replace the single oem part)??
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02 Jul 2011 19:35 #460679
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1980 KZ1000 LTD
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Thanks for the replies. How do I check the spark plug temp? Also, the lines going into the small oil cooler read 180f so I imagine it could get that hot just because of its proximity and connection to the extremely hot engine and may not be having oil pumped through it. Im going to test it tomorrow and will report. One of the posts had a chart of temps before and after oil cooler install and my temps are spot on with the before temps.
I have castrol gtx 10 40 oil in it now and just changed it. I obviously dont know a ton about how to solve major problems like this but need to crack this case. Is it dangerous to the engine to continue riding around town with temps like I am getting? Is my oil likely not circulating well?
I have castrol gtx 10 40 oil in it now and just changed it. I obviously dont know a ton about how to solve major problems like this but need to crack this case. Is it dangerous to the engine to continue riding around town with temps like I am getting? Is my oil likely not circulating well?
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02 Jul 2011 19:38 #460680
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Also, should I try synthetic oil or will that likely leak? First thing I guess is to find out if oil cooler is working. Is it worth getting a better cooler or do you think this is a problem that has a better solution? thanks
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03 Jul 2011 10:59 #460731
by Old Man Rock
1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter
Phoenix, Az
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Take your oil pressure measurements first then figure what if on the rest.... Same time, a new 10 row oil cooler won't hurt over the smaller units of yesterday.
Also insure an ideal and accurate tune up has been accomplished. Valve to shim clearances are to spec, ignition timing to spec, carbs sync'd and jetted correctly for that new exhaust etc....
When running on the road, does she ping at idle, back fire (poppity-pop) on deceleration, have a flat spot (hesitations) in accelerations etc indicating carb/jetting issues.
Maybe I missed it but when you run the engine in the garage, you MUST use a fan aimed at the engine front side or she will get extremely hot presenting false over heating conditions.
Synthetic oil is a marvelous product but not for all 30 year old KZ's. Translation, yes she may or may not leak on yours. For those of us that have gone this route we also had rebuilt our engines where new O-rings, seals and gaskets had been installed thus preventing leaks.
Take your time, measure, adjust, think it out and she'll be just fine....
OMR
Also insure an ideal and accurate tune up has been accomplished. Valve to shim clearances are to spec, ignition timing to spec, carbs sync'd and jetted correctly for that new exhaust etc....
When running on the road, does she ping at idle, back fire (poppity-pop) on deceleration, have a flat spot (hesitations) in accelerations etc indicating carb/jetting issues.
Maybe I missed it but when you run the engine in the garage, you MUST use a fan aimed at the engine front side or she will get extremely hot presenting false over heating conditions.
Synthetic oil is a marvelous product but not for all 30 year old KZ's. Translation, yes she may or may not leak on yours. For those of us that have gone this route we also had rebuilt our engines where new O-rings, seals and gaskets had been installed thus preventing leaks.
Take your time, measure, adjust, think it out and she'll be just fine....
OMR
1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter
Phoenix, Az
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03 Jul 2011 11:49 #460741
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79 Kawie Z1000 LTD
81 Kawie Z1000 CSR
83 Honda VT750C A
85 Kawie GPZ900 A2
86 Zukie GS1150 EG
93 Yamie XV1100 E
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Replied by TeK9iNe on topic Kz1000 Running Way Too Hot
Like Otto said, the bike should be fine in stock configuration with or without an oil cooler.
Time for some maintenence... check the valve lash first.
Drop your pan and pull out the oil pump while the top end is opened up.
Inspect the oil pump as per manual, and blow compressed air through all the oil passage ways to make sure they are clear and blowing oil up to the top of the head.
It all about oil, so make sure that pump is in prestine condition - else...
good luck.
Time for some maintenence... check the valve lash first.
Drop your pan and pull out the oil pump while the top end is opened up.
Inspect the oil pump as per manual, and blow compressed air through all the oil passage ways to make sure they are clear and blowing oil up to the top of the head.
It all about oil, so make sure that pump is in prestine condition - else...
good luck.
Motorcycle Shop Owner/Operator
79 Kawie Z1000 LTD
81 Kawie Z1000 CSR
83 Honda VT750C A
85 Kawie GPZ900 A2
86 Zukie GS1150 EG
93 Yamie XV1100 E
Lucky to have rolled many old bikes through my doors
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03 Jul 2011 18:35 #460789
by lexor
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Thanks to everyone who commented. OMK I took temps directly after riding and the hottest I found was 280f. It has rebuilt jetted carbs professionally installed by PO and i don't think it's a carb/jetting issue as it runs great, no backfire other than everynow and then just after I fire it up I'll get a little pop from around the carb area? Not out the pipe. Never seen that.
The oil cooler temp was only at 125f after my ride on the tubes so obviously doesn't seem to be getting oil through it so I'm going to check pressure and oil pump and passageways this week as tec9ine suggested. Do I need any new gaskets to do that? I haven't read up on it yet. Will post when I solve the issue or if I have more questions which is likely to happen first. Thx again
The oil cooler temp was only at 125f after my ride on the tubes so obviously doesn't seem to be getting oil through it so I'm going to check pressure and oil pump and passageways this week as tec9ine suggested. Do I need any new gaskets to do that? I haven't read up on it yet. Will post when I solve the issue or if I have more questions which is likely to happen first. Thx again
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06 Feb 2015 12:17 #660776
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And we never heard from him again. Did you check your timing?
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06 Feb 2015 18:36 #660803
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I've been wondering reading through this thread, is this for real?
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